OT: Ranking the 30 Best NBA teams from 2000-'12

[FirstTimer]

Also, if Rip Hamilton could get off against Reggie Miller for 24 per game in 2004....Wade would likely score 30+ against Indiana in that matchup. Even if Artest gave James "problems" to the tune of 25-7-7 or something you're still losing that match up in the grand scheme of things. Basically it then comes down to O'Neal having to dominate Bosh..which I'm not sure would happen a lot and Indiana winning a bench battle of sorts but Indiana's bench didn't have that many good players on it anyways.

 

[FirstTimer]

Instead of acknowledging how few times James posted above his career averages

How can you even take this tone? You can't even acknowledge it because you can't even count up games correctly.

I find it hilarious you say Artest would give James a lot of trouble seeing as even as a rookie against Artest in his prime James out performed his season averages and for James illustrious career he has performed overall right on point for the most part.

You have virtually nothing to back up your point right now.

Your proof of Artest giving James issues basically amounts to James doing to Artest what he has done to the entire NBA during his career.

Shitty point is shitty on your part.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

How can you even take this tone? You can't even acknowledge it because you can't even count up games correctly.

I find it hilarious you say Artest would give James a lot of trouble seeing as even as a rookie against Artest in his prime James out performed his season averages and for James illustrious career he has performed overall right on point for the most part.

You have virtually nothing to back up your point right now.

Your proof of Artest giving James issues basically amounts to James doing to Artest what he has done to the entire NBA during his career.

Shitty point is shitty on your part.

So you are saying that James averages 5+ turnovers per-game?

Damn, maybe he is not so great after all.

 

[FirstTimer]

So you are saying that James averages 5+ turnovers per-game?

Hmm I seem to recall the word "basically" in there. Not "exactly".

BTW for his career James averages 4.4 ToPG vs Artest(Which does not round up to 5)

His career average is 3.3. I would say that if you're entire "theory" revolves around barely more than 1 ToPG and 2% of FG%...with most every other number being close to identical...You're kinda sunk...as expected.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

LeBron James has a grand total of 3 games in which he scored both above his average career points/gm as well as above his average FG% vs. Artest.

The first game wasn't until Artest was with the Kings.

The last two of those 3 games were in 2010- Artest well past his prime and out-of-shape.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Hmm I seem to recall the word "basically" in there. Not "exactly".

BTW for his career James averages 4.4 ToPG vs Artest(Which does not round up to 5)

His career average is 3.3. I would say that if you're entire "theory" revolves around barely more than 1 ToPG and 2% of FG%......You're kinda sunk...as expected.

In James' first 12 games vs. Artest, he averaged 5.16 turnovers per game.

 

[FirstTimer]

LeBron James has a grand total of 3 games in which he scored both above his average career points/gm as well as above his average FG%.

And yet despite all this he still averages against Artest what he does against the rest of the NBA during his already Hall of Fame career.

Fascinating!


LOL at you saying the first time wasn't until he faced the Kings. Yeah imagine that Lebron took a couple seasons to become better once he hit the NBA. God forbid we are able to view things in context. Even still it's not like rookie/2nd year LBJ had nothing but utrds against Artest. Even as a rookie against this prime Artest LBJ was still having games of 27-4-6, 28-5-8, 22-10-4, and had games shooting 63%, 53%, and 54%.

If rookie LBJ could do that to a prime Artest I'm not really concerned about the James we just saw going full on triple double in the Finals clinching game being adversely effected all that much.

Again..Your proof of Artest giving James issues basically amounts to James doing to Artest what he has done to the entire NBA during his career.

 

[FirstTimer]

In James' first 12 games vs. Artest, he averaged 5.16 turnovers per game.

So James' performances as a Cav where he was forced to handle the ball more (at a time leading the NBA in USG%) is more indicative of how a mature more versatile James would fare against Artest? :rofl:

This is awful on your part.

 

[FirstTimer]

BRB going to use Lebron James as 24 year old jump shooting point forward as a basis of comparison rather than analyzing how a 27 year old more true forward Lebron with a better post game while shooting 53% from the field for the season would do.

:rofl:

 

[FedEx227]

Rami. Stop.

Don't come along often anymore, but yes, please stop.

If I get bored I'll try and defend some of the points in here but I'll just read for now.

 

[inactiveuser1]

This thread :rolling: :rolling: :rolling: :rolling:

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

He did take a couple of years to mature, sure.

But that didn't stop him from committing 7 turnovers in a game against Artest (past his prime) in 2008.

And then another 7 turnovers in a game in 2009.

LeBron James is typically a better player when Artest isn't guarding him.

 

[FirstTimer]

He did take a couple of years to mature, sure.

But that didn't stop him from committing 7 turnovers in a game against Artest (past his prime) in 2008.

And Lebron James had 6 turnover in a game this year against Carmelo Anthony and whatever other asshole that wasn't as good as Artest the Knicks threw at him. James averages nearly as many ToPG against Melo(4.1) as he does against Artest for a career(4.4) The **** is your point?

Lebron James isn't playing for the same team he did in 2008, he isn't playing the same position in a lot of ways, and isn't even playing the same style.

In summation.

2008 was 4 years ago.

How would the James we saw playing this past week do? I could give two shits about how the 2008 version would do.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

And Lebron James had 6 turnover in a game this year against Carmelo Anthony and whatever other asshole that wasn't as good as Artest the Knicks threw at him. James averages nearly as many ToPG against Melo(4.1) as he does against Artest for a career(4.4) The **** is your point?

Lebron James isn't playing for the same team he did in 2008, he isn't playing the same position in a lot of ways, and isn't even playing the same style.

In summation.

2008 was 4 years ago.

How would the James we saw playing this past week do? I could give two shits about how the 2008 version would do.

There is more statistical evidence that LBJ's numbers against Artest are somewhat-noticeably worse across the board than his career averages as opposed to the (cherry-picked) contrary.

And that is on top of the knowledge that Artest (along with Bowen) is the best perimeter defender in the league we have seen since the last century passed.

So, all in all, of course Artest would be a good option to guard LeBron James in a series relative to the other 99% or so percent of NBA defensive players.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

And Lebron James had 6 turnover in a game this year against Carmelo Anthony and whatever other asshole that wasn't as good as Artest the Knicks threw at him. James averages nearly as many ToPG against Melo(4.1) as he does against Artest for a career(4.4) The **** is your point?

And how many other "assholes" were also not as good as Artest defensively? That was the point.

 

[FirstTimer]

There is more statistical evidence that LBJ's numbers against Artest are somewhat-noticeably worse across the board than his career averages than the (cherry-picked) contrary.

Cherry picked?

Look at the stat line across the board.

You're accusing basketballref.com of "cherry picking" numbers?

Lebron's career numbers are virtually identical big picture. Small picture this mature, more offensively versatile, and better defensive Lebron James would push a prime Ron Artest's poop in during a 7 game series.

And that is on top of the knowledge that Artest (along with Bowen) is the best perimeter defender in the league we have seen since the last century passed.

Disagree.

Lebron James is better.

So, all in all, of course Artest would be a good option to guard LeBron James in a series relative to the other 99% or so percent of NBA defensive players.

The **** are you talking about and the **** said otherwise?

Talk about making a "point" in response to something someone never said.

 

[FirstTimer]

And how many other "assholes" were also not as good as Artest defensively? That was the point.

If your point was that Artest was really good on defense...no one said otherwise.


If your point is that you'd rather have Ron Artest defending James than Jeff Foster or some other **** gobbler.....no one said otherwise.


If your point is that 2004 Artest would hold a 2012 Lebron in check.... :rofl:

You're wrong.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Cherry picked?

Yes, like when you decided that because LBJ did better than his rookie averages against Artest for 4 regular season games.

Talk about making a "point" in response to something someone never said.

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I don't see where Artest is stopping Lebron from controlling shit. Nor would he at any time in his prime. If anything, it would be the other way around.

 

[FirstTimer]

More Rami foolishness. He can't win the "argument", so then he starts arguing with himself.

I think Rami can't distinguish the idea(among others) that just because someone thinks Lebron James would still put up numbers against Artest and not be incredibly bothered by him that it doesn't mean/meant Artest sucked. Just that Lebron James is pretty fucking good.

 

[FirstTimer]

More Rami foolishness. He can't win the "argument", so then he starts arguing with himself.