OT: Ranking the 30 Best NBA teams from 2000-'12

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Anyway, getting back on point:

No one here can say that the 2012 Heat would surely beat the 2011 Mavs or even the 2004 Pacers.

LBJ had 2-3 guys with attention on him as soon as he received the ball at the top of the key in 2011 and chose to be a facilitator and make the correct basketball play as opposed to looking to take over.

In 2012, OKC guarded him one-on-one and made him pay. And they certainly did not have a Tyson Chandler caliber of a player at the 5 spot.

Artest typically held his opponents below their averages and we have not much reason to believe that he wouldn't have held LBJ below his in a hypothetical 04IND-vs12MIA series.

 

[FirstTimer]

20 for LeBron is well below his career average. 16 for Artest is not. That is why.

So why would you choose a number OVER Artests career average? Yet ignore context of seasonal averages.

 

[TheChicagoFan]

And if the Mavs defended this more aggressive/better posting version LBJ in the same fashion which the Thunder defended him, then the Heat also win. No doubt.

What exactly do you suggest that the Mavs would have done to be better than the Thunder defending LeBron? LeBron was just good. He used his aggressiveness to help generate assists as well as points.

No matter what adjustment was made, he would've taken advantage of what they weren't covering.

 

[FirstTimer]

Anyway, getting back on point:

No one here can say that the 2012 Heat would surely beat the 2011 Mavs or even the 2004 Pacers.

Well no one could say for sure that any team would beat any other team on this list outside of some of the teams that shared h2h matchups


The hell is your point?

 

[TheChicagoFan]

It's also kind of ridiculous to compare teams from different seasons. Each season is different and the players play different and injuries impact every year.

2001 and 2012 are totally different types of NBA. Can't say for sure that a current team would beat them.

Basically what FT said, you can't guarantee that any team would beat another when they're from different seasons. So this list is trash.

 

[inactiveuser1]

I fail to see the "point" of this debate. To many random stats and statements thrown around :lol: someone give me a sparknotes version of the "point" because all I see is....well you know

 

[FirstTimer]

I fail to see the "point" of this debate. To many random stats and statements thrown around :lol: someone give me a sparknotes version of the "point" because all I see is....well you know

Rami sucks at basketball analysis.

/fin

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

What exactly do you suggest that the Mavs would have done to be better than the Thunder defending LeBron? LeBron was just good. He used his aggressiveness to help generate assists as well as points.

No matter what adjustment was made, he would've taken advantage of what they weren't covering.

The Thunder did not utilize a zone defense as Dallas had done the year before to cut off LBJ's dribble penetration. They also had defenders rushing LBJ whenever he put his eyes down when he even gave their defense the slightest hint that he was thinking of being aggressive.

LBJ did look foolish when trying to back down Kidd and even Barea. Things like that would not have happened again against Dallas in 2012. But overall OKC was idiotic to not give help on James until about mid-way through Game 4 of that series. And they didn't even use 2 bigs at the same time to add shot-blocking.

 

[FirstTimer]

The Thunder did not utilize a zone defense as Dallas had done the year before to cut off LBJ's dribble penetration. They also had defenders rushing LBJ whenever he put his eyes down when he even gave their defense the slightest hint that he was thinking of being aggressive.

LBJ did look foolish when trying to back down Kidd and even Barea. Things like that would not have happened again against Dallas in 2012. But overall OKC was idiotic to not give help on James until about mid-way through Game 4 of that series. And they didn't even use 2 bigs at the same time to add shot-blocking.

Basically Rami is parroting what some moron in a youtube video said.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

So why would you choose a number OVER Artests career average? Yet ignore context of seasonal averages.

Because that shows even more than Artest had success offensively against LBJ in those same first 4 games which you pointed out.

 

[inactiveuser1]

Just my opinion but zone defense sucks. Learn to play defense. The one exception though is on Lebron because he's to damn good lol, I don't think anyone could stop him consistently 1 on 1

 

[FirstTimer]

Because that shows even more than Artest had success offensively against LBJ in those same first 4 games which you pointed out.

Yet, still wasn't as good as Lebron..........................yawn.

LOL at your cherry picked arbitrary numbers.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

It's also kind of ridiculous to compare teams from different seasons. Each season is different and the players play different and injuries impact every year.

2001 and 2012 are totally different types of NBA. Can't say for sure that a current team would beat them.

Basically what FT said, you can't guarantee that any team would beat another when they're from different seasons. So this list is trash.

2003 would have been a better starting point because hand-checking as well as other rules were closer to how the league is now in 2012.

Nevertheless, people here had a chance to make their own lists- as stated in the OP.

Many teams are interchangeable but for the most part, it is a good list.

I also tried to account for injuries in my analysis.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Yet, still wasn't as good as Lebron..........................yawn.

LOL at your cherry picked arbitrary numbers.

Neither was Shawn Marion last year.

Didn't stop Dallas from handing Miami their ass in three straight games.

Marion was, however, long enough and skilled enough defensively to give LBJ problems one-on-one in the Finals.

As was Bowen in 2007.

As would have been Artest had they matched-up in a best-of-7-gm series.

 

[FirstTimer]

Neither was Shawn Marion last year.

Didn't stop Dallas from handing Miami their ass in three straight games.

Yeah good thing Lebron James played the exact same style of basketball all year this year as he did last seas...........................oh wait.

Shitty comparison is shitty.

 

[TheChicagoFan]

Just my opinion but zone defense sucks. Learn to play defense. The one exception though is on Lebron because he's to damn good lol, I don't think anyone could stop him consistently 1 on 1

Yeah. I played zone defense in like 6th grade. Man is the way to go, unless you're really good or facing someone really good.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Yeah good thing Lebron James played the exact same style of basketball all year this year as he did last seas...........................oh wait.

Shitty comparison is shitty.

You do realize that the style of basketball you play depends largely upon the style of/how well-equipped the opposing team plays, don't you..........oh wait.

What are you going to tell me next? OKC's defense was better than DAL's last year?

lulz

 

[FirstTimer]

You do realize that the style of basketball you play depends largely upon the style of/how well-equipped the opposing team plays, don't you..........oh wait.

Did you just ignore the way Lebron changed his game over the course of the entire season or something? Lebron didn't break out the post game in the Finals for the first time. There's a reason he shot a career high from the field this year and attempted a career low 3pt attempts.

It's like you never watched a single game all season.

Lebron this year played differently compared to almost any other time last year on. There's a reason he was training with Hakeem the last off season after the loss to Dallas.

You do get the idea that Lebron with a post game helps dictate more on the offensive end than Lebron without a post game right?

Derp.

 

[Diddy1122]

This thread is

Can't believe I actually read thru 16 pages of this crap. It did make for some good :lmao: moments though.

 

[TheChicagoFan]

Before this season I wasn't a big fan of LeBron, because I thought he was too streaky of a shooter. He got a lot better over the offseason and improved his game during the season. He's a better and more complete player this year.

He won the NBA Title because he was the best player in the NBA this year. And Bosh figured out what he was supposed to do as far as contributing. Wade was good. Battier killed it from the 3 pt line. Chalmers a lot better than he's been before.

And this is all coming from an NBA fucktard. And you're like an NBA writer or something?