OT: Who Is The Most Overrated Player In The NBA?

[Diddy1122]

But saying that LBJ is better PG than Rose is pure hate.

It's not hate, it's a debate.

I'm a poet & yes, I know it.

 

[FirstTimer]

The question was who would you rather have in the exclusive role of offensive PG.

Lebron fucking James by a country mile.

When James gets the ball in the post, he is being guarded by a SF/PF at all times. .

So is Chauncey Billups. And who was guarding them? Other PG's for the most part. James has a big body on him every time.

This is idiotic. So now the players position is being determined by who is guarding them?

Have you EVER participated in basketball in your entire life? So if Rose goes to the post and somehow ends up with a SF or PF on his back Rose is all of a sudden a SF or PF?

Your logic is fucking brutal. I played a lot of SF in HS but would routinely match up with the other teams PG on defense as I was the best defender on the team. That PG didn't all of a sudden turn into their SF when I started guarding them. The defense adjusting to matchups on the floor doesn't render the offenses general strategy and positions within the set moot. If Spoelstra designs a play with the 1 on the block and it's for James then James is still in the "1" or the PG he's just in a lower block area. if the defense counters with a SF or PF it doesn't make James the SF or PF it make him a PG with a SF or PF guarding him as a counter to the set..

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

**** rubio..kids a fantastic passer but he is exalted by the media because he's flashy

it helps a little when you have love finishing inside too to help your numbers

being a homer again, but gimme kyrie irving

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

Lebron fucking James by a country mile.










This is idiotic. So now the players position is being determined by who is guarding them?

Have you EVER participated in basketball in your entire life? So if Rose goes to the post and somehow ends up with a SF or PF on his back Rose is all of a sudden a SF or PF?

Your logic is fucking brutal. I played a lot of SF in HS but would routinely match up with the other teams PG on defense as I was the best defender on the team. That PG didn't all of a sudden turn into their SF when I started guarding them. The defense adjusting to matchups on the floor doesn't render the offenses general strategy and positions within the set moot. If Spoelstra designs a play with the 1 on the block and it's for James then James is still in the "1" or the PG he's just in a lower block area. if the defense counters with a SF or PF it doesn't make James the SF or PF it make him a PG with a SF or PF guarding him as a counter to the set..

ya its all situational...you'll see lebron and alot of other lockdown wings take on PGs because they have the best perimeter defense and lateral quickness...

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

LeBron James only tries to score in the post as a SF or PF in a half-court offense.

Gary Payton had a height advantage against most PG's and that is why, at times, you would see him go down there (to exploit the match-up). Chauncey Billups would go down there to exploit his strength advantage over most PG's.

 

[zack54attack]

How can be so many Rose haters in a Bulls forum?


LeBron James vs DRose - YouTube

That video does nothing for your argument.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

Ya the pure pg is dead. Scott Machado is the only one in this draft and he isn't a 1st rd player right now. I really like his game though and would take a flyer on him. He is a good enough athlete to be a very good backup in the league possibly a starter and a good one in the right system. Kendall Marshall I wouldn't touch he cant defend a chair.

Rondo, Paul, Andre Miller, Steve Nash(the fossils) and Rubio are really the only ones right now that are playing at a high level. Jose Calderon is a pure as they come pg but he couldn't defend a chair. Dwill is a scoring pg imo but is a very good floor general compared to most scoring pgs. Early this year his coach was playing him at shooting guard which was really puzzling to me.

I was shocked when the Pacers didn't take Rondo the pg was the biggest need and he was the best one on the board. There were rumors he didnt take to coaching in college and was a locker room problem. Which is why he fell so far. Plus he couldn't shoot at all.

good post

but i particularly quoted it for that

i have seen him projected last first round this year

WTF

ok cool he's 6'5 and has great passing skills..

he cant score, cant shoot, cant play defense, has no lateral quickness

and benefits from having two great post players..a wing looking to shoot

and being able to outlet in roy's run run run system

i just dont understand it...

 

[houheffna]

So is Chauncey Billups. And who was guarding them? Other PG's for the most part. James has a big body on him every time.

I don't get your point. James has to have a big body on him because...he is a big body.

This is a senseless argument. Lebron is a point forward...a forward that runs the offense. He was highly affective doing that...as shown with his two MVP seasons in Cleveland.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

in terms of actually playing the PG position itself(and not being plopped there)

lebron is better...defensively easily(though this is irrelevant because great wing defenders as i suggested will guard points in some cases)

rose is a good PG..but he's not better than james at actually performing the duties of a PG

despite mike brown's rather half court offense..cleveland averaged over 100 PPG with lebron with a rather poor team around him

lebron also averaged quite a few more assists as the main ballhandler in cleveland...

 

[thechosenone]

That video does nothing for your argument.

Try this.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wGqpQXABAg"]Bulls vs. Heat: LeBron James highlights - 35 points, 11 rebounds (1.29.12) - YouTube[/ame]
He scored 35 points.Not 10,not 20..but 35.Find me one time that he broke our defense and got to the rim while being in a PG role and win it all.

Then just watch this.
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFWOeXBAdsM[/ame]

/debate

 

[houheffna]

LeBron James only tries to score in the post as a SF or PF in a half-court offense.

Gary Payton had a height advantage against most PG's and that is why, at times, you would see him go down there (to exploit the match-up). Chauncey Billups would go down there to exploit his strength advantage over most PG's.

You have never seen James pass the ball and get it back in the post? And if you have, what damn difference does it make what position he plays when he does it? I just don't understand your argument here.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

You have never seen James pass the ball and get it back in the post? And if you have, what damn difference does it make what position he plays when he does it? I just don't understand your argument here.

I've seen Scola and Odom do that, too. It doesn't change that they aren't the PG's in those types of sets.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

I must say I feel wade is overrated. I've never seen a player get so much credit for one friggn season.

not counting this season, he has not averaged less than 24 PPG since his rookie season

he's a great passer and rebounder for his size

and a really good closer and finisher

And as far as his defense, please tell or show me a quarter or game where he shut down a big-time player. Why didn't he take jason terry or jj berea during the nba finals? He's great, but not a top 3-5 player.

lol...wade is a fantastic defender...he has great lateral ability and he plays smart help

he routinely averages 2 steals and over a block per game..as a guard

when he was out miami's defense suffered..look at the stats

Id take james, howard, bryant, rose, paul, over him and possibly dirk depending on how I feel

he's had a meh season because he shares with james and he's been hurt

i agree on the first four

paul is debatable

**** dirk

 

[FirstTimer]

LeBron James only tries to score in the post as a SF or PF in a half-court offense.

Gary Payton had a height advantage against most PG's and that is why, at times, you would see him go down there (to exploit the match-up). Chauncey Billups would go down there to exploit his strength advantage over most PG's.

I've seen Scola and Odom do that, too. It doesn't change that they aren't the PG's in those types of sets.

Did you seriously just compare Lamar Odom and Luis Scola handling the ball up top sometimes and getting the ball in the post to LeBron fucking James doing it?

Jesus Christ.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Wade was better in the NBA Finals than Dirk Nowitzki LAST year and someone is going to say Dirk's better? Right.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

When you are in the post and have Mario Chalmers and Dwyane Wade along the perimeter, you are not in a PG role.

 

[zack54attack]

Try this.
Bulls vs. Heat: LeBron James highlights - 35 points, 11 rebounds (1.29.12) - YouTube
He scored 35 points.Not 10,not 20..but 35.Find me one time that he broke our defense and got to the rim while being in a PG role and win it all.

Then just watch this.
Derrick Rose - Highlights vs Miami Heat, 29/01/2012. - YouTube

/debate

What the hell are you talking about.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

Wade was better in the NBA Finals than Dirk Nowitzki LAST year and someone is going to say Dirk's better? Right.

ya...you wanna talk about overrated

ding ding dirk nowitzki

 

[clonetrooper264]

When you are in the post and have Mario Chalmers and Dwyane Wade along the perimeter, you are not in a PG role.

Point...forward? :shrug:

 

[bleacherbum54]

good post

but i particularly quoted it for that

i have seen him projected last first round this year

WTF

ok cool he's 6'5 and has great passing skills..

he cant score, cant shoot, cant play defense, has no lateral quickness

and benefits from having two great post players..a wing looking to shoot

and being able to outlet in roy's run run run system

i just dont understand it...

Ya I dont have him as a first rd grade he doesnt do anything besides pass and dribble well. He can shoot he cant get into the paint when he is pg he is a liability on offense. When the Tar heels play a great pg they put Barnes on him. Marshall cant keep a college pg in front of him I would hate to see him try to keep a Westbrook or Rose or even a Ty Lawson in front of him. Scott Machado plays his style but is actually a good offensive player he can shoot and get to the rim. Plus he can play good enough on defense to really help. Plus he has better vision IMO than Marshal.

Marshall is useful in the tar heel system but I dont see him as a good player for the NBA.

watch Scott Machado if you get the chance for IONA he is a joy to watch.


Not very many good pgs in this class I would avoid taking one early if I was a GM. This is the draft of good bigs and wings.