OT: Who Is The Most Overrated Player In The NBA?

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Point...forward? :shrug:

is a very broad term that means "possessing the attributes of both a "forward" and a "point guard.""

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

ya...you wanna talk about overrated

ding ding dirk nowitzki

I nearly died when Rick Carlisle called him a top 10 player of all-time. He wasn't even the second best player in the NBA Finals.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

And Chris Broussard tweeted that Dirk had passed KG after the Mavs won last June.

That made me angry.

 

[Venom]

Yeah, Chris Broussard..... *chuckle*

 

[RosettaStoned]

LeBron James scored and/or assisted almost 50% of that team's offense because Mike Brown's philosophy was to walk the ball up the court in James' hands and hit open three point shooters.

James also doesn't have the pure speed that he had before putting on all of that muscle mass. That's why I see James as more of a forward now offensively.

I disagree that Rose is a better SG than James.

Muscle mass did not slow down Lebron James. Stop with that garbage.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Muscle mass did not slow down Lebron James. Stop with that garbage.

LeBron James is not a great ball-handler. For his size- yes. Compared to the elite PG's of the NBA? No. He doesn't cross over very easily and dribble side-to-side. The Mavericks were able to contain his scoring by putting at least two bodies in front of him at all times to cut off his penetration.

He is still fast as hell but he was once even faster. And his bulkiness inhibits his driving ability through double-teams.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

LeBron James is not a great ball-handler. For his size- yes. Compared to the elite PG's of the NBA? No. He doesn't cross over very easily and dribble side-to-side. The Mavericks were able to contain his scoring by putting at least two bodies in front of him at all times to cut off his penetration.

He is still fast as hell but he was once even faster. And his bulkiness inhibits his driving ability through double-teams.

wouldnt it do the opposite..since alot of jame's driving ability derives from his ability to utilize his strength?

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

wouldnt it do the opposite..since alot of jame's driving ability derives from strength?

If you have only one defender on him then yes. But if you guard him with a lot of help defense, it takes away a lot of James' ability to penetrate the lane. After you give James a few feet of space, he is like a run away freight train. Unstoppable.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

If you had to pick one guy to play pg for the rest of the year who do you pick?? Lebron easily. Lebron adding a post game just adds value to his overall game. Many HOF pgs would take advantage of their defender in the post Jkidd Dennis Johnson, Magic, Oscar Robinson ect.

The original Stephon Marbury.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

If you have only one defender on him then yes. But if you guard him with a lot of help defense, it takes away a lot of James' ability to penetrate the lane. After you give James a few feet of space, he is like a run away freight train. Unstoppable.

he could penetrate that way by creating maneuvering space by strength or simply maneuvering with strength

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

The original Stephon Marbury.

No one is as big of a mental case as Marbury. But it is not good team basketball to have one player score/assist that much of a team's offense. It wasn't good when Jordan did it before Pippen got there and the triangle was established. It wasn't good when Marbury did it in Phoenix and New York. It wasn't good when LeBron did it before he joined Wade in Miami. It isn't good now with Rose doing it now in Chicago. And it wasn't good with Oscar doing it with Cincinnati.

 

[RosettaStoned]

LeBron James is not a great ball-handler. For his size- yes. Compared to the elite PG's of the NBA? No. He doesn't cross over very easily and dribble side-to-side. The Mavericks were able to contain his scoring by putting at least two bodies in front of him at all times to cut off his penetration.

He is still fast as hell but he was once even faster. And his bulkiness inhibits his driving ability through double-teams.

No. Adding muscle mass does not make one slower. Especially not an active athlete that runs frequently. Stop.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

he could penetrate that way by creating maneuvering space by strength or simply maneuvering with strength

He doesn't have a quick enough dribble to do that with the best of the PG's. For the most part, James is a straight-line dribbler who only attacks when he sees a path to the basket that is directly in front of him. There is no doubt that James has great court-vision to find the open jump-shooter cross-court when that help comes. To me, that isn't typical of a PG.

 

[thechosenone]

What the hell are you talking about.

About LBJ not being better PG than DRose because he is not a good ball handler and he can't break the defense easily when he is in a PG position.His only moves when he is in that position is passing to anyone near him,a jump shot after having failed to crossover,and a bad attempt to spin that most times ends with traveling.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

No. Adding muscle mass does not make one slower. Especially not an active athlete that runs frequently. Stop.

Miles on your body and lingering injuries do. And, yes, adding weight with muscle does make you somewhat slower as long as you were not substituting that muscle with fat. James was never even slightly overweight when he came into the league. He had a lean and naturally muscular body. He gained weight with muscle and, it is clear to anybody who has watched him over the course of his career, that he has slowed down a little.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Are AK47 and Boris Diaw more versatile than Rose?

 

[RosettaStoned]

Miles on your body and lingering injuries do. And, yes, adding weight with muscle does make you somewhat slower as long as you were not substituting that muscle with fat. James was never even slightly overweight when he came into the league. He had a lean and naturally muscular body. He gained weight with muscle and, it is clear to anybody who has watched him over the course of his career, that he has slowed down a little.

You have serious misconceptions about the human body, and how it functions. If you add muscle mass, you add force. Force moves your body. Adding muscle without adding fat is far more efficient that adding both. Stop.

You have no idea what you're talking about. At all.

 

[thechosenone]

Adding muscles make you faster but you lose flexibility.

 

[RosettaStoned]

Adding muscles make you faster but you lose flexibility.

Stop.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Usain Bolt put on 20 pounds of muscle, now runs an 11.3