OT: Who Is The Most Overrated Player In The NBA?

[RamiTheBullsFan]

I can tell by looking. I've actually trained people before. He added muscle while still playing basketball. Stop.

Good for you. The point is that he has slowed down for some reason and I was listing a number of possible explanations that could be. There has to be some reason for it but I appreciate your input nonetheless.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

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[Gustavus Adolphus]

Good for you. The point is that he has slowed down for some reason and I was listing a number of possible explanations that could be. There has to be some reason for it but I appreciate your input nonetheless.

You did not list a number of possibilities. You have been arguing for a damn month now that him adding muscle mass was the reason.

Is this a joke?

 

[bleacherbum54]

Good for you. The point is that he has slowed down for some reason and I was listing a number of possible explanations that could be. There has to be some reason for it but I appreciate your input nonetheless.

or maybe your just full of shit and he didnt slow down :thinking:

 

[FirstTimer]

In my short, and unimpressive athletic life I have never heard a coach say that adding muscle mass is a detriment to playing well.

Well your coaches were wrong. Coach Rami would not have you lifting weights because it's "common knowledge" that adding muscles slows you down.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

You did not list a number of possibilities. You have been arguing for a damn month now that him adding muscle mass was the reason.

Is this a joke?

For all any of us know, that has something to do with it. We really don't know and the point is that he has lost some of his finesse approach to the game. That helps who he is as a player at a taller position but I don't see LeBron as an ideal point guard because he is too physical in his style.

 

[FirstTimer]

You did not list a number of possibilities. You have been arguing for a damn month now that him adding muscle mass was the reason.

Is this a joke?

Just as a reminder

http://www.chicitysports.com/forum/428111-post61.html

Hold.

Mah.

Dick.

 

[FirstTimer]

For all any of us know, that has something to do with it. .

No it doesn't because it's scientifically incorrect.

You might as well be theorizing this warm winter is the result of the sun rotating around the Earth.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Well your coaches were wrong. Coach Rami would not have you lifting weights because it's "common knowledge" that adding muscles slows you down.

Damn those coaches at Bremen.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

For all any of us know, that has something to do with it. We really don't know and the point is that he has lost some of his finesse approach to the game. That helps who he is as a player at a taller position but I don't see LeBron as an ideal point guard because he is too physical in his style.

Gary Payton was never physical.

 

[RosettaStoned]

Good for you. The point is that he has slowed down for some reason and I was listing a number of possible explanations that could be. There has to be some reason for it but I appreciate your input nonetheless.

lol wut?

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

or maybe your just full of shit and he didnt slow down :thinking:

It's pretty clear that he has lost some speed. He used to try to cross over players in his first few years but he has gone away from that. Most of the time when he has the ball at the top of the floor, he either pulls back on a long jump-shot or passes out to the corner when defenses help on him. If he is going one-on-one with somebody then he usually just tries to go right through them and create a lane to the basket where he's unstoppable without fouling. The Bulls typically don't give LeBron James a lot of help and let Luol try to guard him one-on-one which is a mistake in my opinion. They didn't even give Brewer much help on Sunday with Deng out.

 

[RosettaStoned]

It's pretty clear that he has lost some speed. He used to try to cross over players in his first few years but he has gone away from that. Most of the time when he has the ball at the top of the floor, he either pulls back on a long jump-shot or passes out to the corner when defenses help on him. If he is going one-on-one with somebody then he usually just tries to go right through them and create a lane to the basket where he's unstoppable without fouling. The Bulls typically don't give LeBron James a lot of help and let Luol try to guard him one-on-one which is a mistake in my opinion. They didn't even give Brewer much help on Sunday with Deng out.

Maybe after a few years in the league he realized he's fucking 6'8" and crossing people over wasn't his best offensive weapon?

 

[FirstTimer]

Maybe after a few years in the league he realized he's fucking 6'8" and crossing people over wasn't his best offensive weapon?

Nah, the guy(who clearly would have access to the best training on the planet) decided to just go to the local YMCA jump on a bench press and start pumping iron like a power lifter and slowed himself down.

WHUT!?

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Maybe after a few years in the league he realized he's fucking 6'8" and crossing people over wasn't his best offensive weapon?

And I applaud him for that. He can do it but not as consistently well as the Rose's and CP3's.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Gary Payton was never physical.

He was physical in ways that you can no longer be as a PG in today's NBA and mostly that is in reference to who he was defensively. He also had a height advantage over most players guarding him. LeBron James uses brute strength in his move to the basket which does not serve a team ideally well in the role of a point guard in my opinion.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

He doesn't have a quick enough dribble to do that with the best of the PG's. For the most part, James is a straight-line dribbler who only attacks when he sees a path to the basket that is directly in front of him. There is no doubt that James has great court-vision to find the open jump-shooter cross-court when that help comes. To me, that isn't typical of a PG.

he has a damn good enough handle for it...if you're using more strength to maneuver what really counts is control more than quickness

plus whether or not muscle mass slows you down depends on where you have the muscle mass

and muscle weighs more than fat..but unlike fat the muscle works...

in other words when you're on the run...the fat slows you down because its just dead weight...muscle has weight but its not dead weight

now i'm not a trainer or anything...but thats basically it isnt it?

i dont think increasing muscle mass has slowed lebron james down at all..

hell he has been 250+ since being in the league...

 

[houheffna]

I've seen Scola and Odom do that, too. It doesn't change that they aren't the PG's in those types of sets.

Odom has point guard skills...that is what the Lakers got him to do...be Scottie Pippen to Kobe's Jordan. But Scola? Scola doesn't handle the ball and Odom was relieved of those duties for the most part.

You are losing this argument and yet you keep going...

When on the floor with Chalmers and Miller (while Wade was out especially), who handled the ball?

 

[houheffna]

I nearly died when Rick Carlisle called him a top 10 player of all-time. He wasn't even the second best player in the NBA Finals.

You have to be kidding me...he is not top 10 all time...but he is most definitely an all time great. You couldn't name another player that size with his game.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Odom has point guard skills...that is what the Lakers got him to do...be Scottie Pippen to Kobe's Jordan. But Scola? Scola doesn't handle the ball and Odom was relieved of those duties for the most part.

You are losing this argument and yet you keep going...

When on the floor with Chalmers and Miller (while Wade was out especially), who handled the ball?

Your original scenario did not mention anything about a big man dribbling the basketball. There are plenty of times when a big has the ball at the top, swings it around, moves off the ball into post position, and receives the ball again.

And I would take Rose as the offensive PG next to Miller and Chalmers (in a play where I had to choose between James and Rose as the primary ball-handler) a lot of the time.

Again- defense is what tips the scale for James.