OT: Who Is The Most Overrated Player In The NBA?

[FirstTimer]

its the fucking all star game homers are gonna home same reason Joel Anthony is ahead of Roy Hibbert he plays on a team that has a bigger fan base same with Noah.

You should take nothing from the all star game Im surprised Yao isnt still starting in the West lol. He got in every year even when he didn't play a game. It is a popularity contest not a real judge of talent.\

Fans of the team or fans of the player are gonna vote for the guy regardless.

Rubio has all of Europe voting for him which is the main reason he is so high.

but you are crazy if you put any stock in all star voting there is a reason the coaches pick the benches.

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Thank you for reminding me of that. By that standard Yao coul dbe the msot overrated player in sports history.

The All Star game is a glorified And 1 scrimmage. Using that voting as some indicator of who is overrated or who isn't is just dumb. ESPN's player ranking list would be a much better cross section to take from. ASG voting..who cares.

 

[nickofypres]

Derrick Rose.

 

[FirstTimer]

OK you may set an offense to have DRose or Wade to hit a 3.I feel more safe if the ball ends to Luol hands to hit an open 3.That guy makes it every single time when the ball weighs 10000lbs.

I again request a ban of this guy.

 

[bleacherbum54]

:rolling:

Who do you scout for?

right now as a hobby but I have a internship this summer hopefully will change that.

(I have only be scouting 5 yrs that is why he is the best pure pg I have scouted)

Rose and Wall and Westbrook aren't pure pgs. Even though Westbrook and Rose will be better players especially numbers wise.

 

[FirstTimer]

right now as a hobby but I have a internship this summer hopefully will change that.

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Good luck with that.

Very few pure PG's coming out of college recently though. Rubio may be teh tallest midget there. A lot of guys more in the hybrid scorig PG role over the last decade or so. I mean who else is there really?

Paul, Deron Williams(?), Rondo(wasn't highly thought of).............????

 

[bleacherbum54]

Good luck with that.

Very few pure PG's coming out of college recently though. Rubio may be teh tallest midget there. A lot of guys more in the hybrid scorig PG role over the last decade or so. I mean who else is there really?

Paul, Deron Williams(?), Rondo(wasn't highly thought of).............????

Ya the pure pg is dead. Scott Machado is the only one in this draft and he isn't a 1st rd player right now. I really like his game though and would take a flyer on him. He is a good enough athlete to be a very good backup in the league possibly a starter and a good one in the right system. Kendall Marshall I wouldn't touch he cant defend a chair.

Rondo, Paul, Andre Miller, Steve Nash(the fossils) and Rubio are really the only ones right now that are playing at a high level. Jose Calderon is a pure as they come pg but he couldn't defend a chair. Dwill is a scoring pg imo but is a very good floor general compared to most scoring pgs. Early this year his coach was playing him at shooting guard which was really puzzling to me.

I was shocked when the Pacers didn't take Rondo the pg was the biggest need and he was the best one on the board. There were rumors he didnt take to coaching in college and was a locker room problem. Which is why he fell so far. Plus he couldn't shoot at all.

 

[BNB]

yeah, i think the "pure PG" is kind of dying in the NBA.

A lot of the PG's in the NBA today are either score first PG's, or they don't really have a role. They're just kinda there because they need to be. Like Derek Fisher and Mario Chalmers. Fisher doesn't do much for the Lakers and Mario Chalmers basically just shoots open jumpers and plays defense.

Nash, Rubio, Paul, Rondo, Kidd and maybe guys like Calderon and Lowry are like the only "pure PG's" in the NBA. I guess Andre Miller is too.

 

[FirstTimer]

I was shocked when the Pacers didn't take Rondo the pg was the biggest need and he was the best one on the board. There were rumors he didnt take to coaching in college and was a locker room problem. Which is why he fell so far. Plus he still can't shoot at all.

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yeah, i think the "pure PG" is kind of dying in the NBA.

A lot of the PG's in the NBA today are either score first PG's, or they don't really have a role. They're just kinda there because they need to be. Like Derek Fisher and Mario Chalmers. Fisher doesn't do much for the Lakers and Mario Chalmers basically just shoots open jumpers and plays defense.

Nash, Rubio, Paul, Rondo, Kidd and maybe guys like Calderon and Lowry are like the only "pure PG's" in the NBA. I guess Andre Miller is too.

If Lowrey is considered a true PG........I give up.

Combo guards are all the rage. That being said Rubio has really surprised me this season. I expected him to be good but not "near a triple double quite a few times" good this fast.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

What in the hell are you talking about? I've seen you say several off the wall things in this thread, not just this. How the **** is Norris Cole overrated? Because his teams fan base likes him a lot? You cannot be serious. Same with Rubio. How is he overrated? People talk about him because he's an exciting player... Have you even seen him play? He's really not that raw. People think Rondo is the best PG in the league? I have literally never heard anyone make a case for any of these things and I've been around forums for years and years. I'm not trying to attack you but man there's a lot to disagree with here.

Here is a blog by a Bulls' fan hyping up Norris Cole. NBA By A
I've read others who aren't typically Heat fans who seem to overly love this guy.

I've heard back and forths about Rose and Rubio from people calling Rose a ball-hog and used that as claim that Rubio was the better point guard because is more of a text-book definition of a point. A lot of people do overrate Rubio.

Yes, most people don't vote in who they see as the best players as all-stars. But a lot of them do. I bet you a lot of those quarter million votes Rubio received weren't just because they think he's exciting. Pretty much all of those players on that list of Western guards are exciting in a sense, too. Number of all-star appearances are weighted into a players' career by the fans/media when all is said and done so all-star votes shouldn't just be ignored altogether.

And Rondo has more number 1 votes than Deron Williams and Westbrook? To me, that makes him overrated. Not many people are going to argue that Rondo isn't overrated to some extent.

 

[bleacherbum54]

yeah, i think the "pure PG" is kind of dying in the NBA.

A lot of the PG's in the NBA today are either score first PG's, or they don't really have a role. They're just kinda there because they need to be. Like Derek Fisher and Mario Chalmers. Fisher doesn't do much for the Lakers and Mario Chalmers basically just shoots open jumpers and plays defense.

Nash, Rubio, Paul, Rondo, Kidd and maybe guys like Calderon and Lowry are like the only "pure PG's" in the NBA. I guess Andre Miller is too.

Ya I forgot about Lowery he has been amazing this season very underrated player. He has developed very well into a pure pg. He was drafted as a combo guard but great player development can help players get a lot better.

Miami doesn't need a pg though Lebron is basically one. All Miami needs is a guy like Chalmers who defends and can make the open shot. He is another guy who fell in the draft who shouldnt of many players ahead of him weren't NBA material. Chalmers is a good role player and that is good value in the 2nd rd.

 

[97Bulls]

I must say I feel wade is overrated. I've never seen a player get so much credit for one friggn season.

And as far as his defense, please tell or show me a quarter or game where he shut down a big-time player. Why didn't he take jason terry or jj berea during the nba finals? He's great, but not a top 3-5 player.

Id take james, howard, bryant, rose, paul, over him and possibly dirk depending on how I feel

 

[ChiTeez.com]

Over rated = Blake Griffin

He is very athletic but is a terrible shooter! He needs to spend is off season time shooting 5,000 jumpers a day, as well as 5,000 free throws a day.

 

[BNB]

If Lowrey is considered a true PG........I give up.

I meant to put D. Williams. idk why I said Lowry hahahaha.

But even Williams can put it up a lot.

 

[FirstTimer]

Here is a blog by a Bulls' fan hyping up Norris Cole. NBA By A
I've read others who aren't typically Heat fans who seem to overly love this guy.

I've heard back and forths about Rose and Rubio from people calling Rose a ball-hog and used that as claim that Rubio was the better point guard because is more of a text-book definition of a point. A lot of people do overrate Rubio.

We get it.

Fans are dumb.

Let me guess this "back and forth" was between some ass clown homers?

ZOMG! A sports nation poll!

Again. Fans are stupid. We get it.

Also, 3.3% of over 11k votes isn't "a lot"

Yes, most people don't vote in who they see as the best players as all-stars.

Ok, so knowing this.........................

Kindly STFU about it.

 

[bleacherbum54]

Fixed.


If Lowrey is considered a true PG........I give up.

Combo guards are all the rage. That being said Rubio has really surprised me this season. I expected him to be good but not "near a triple double quite a few times" good this fast.

actually Lowery this season is playing as a pure pg. But it is the first season I have seen him play like this. He came into the league as a combo but now he is a pass first pg he can shoot. He is a totally different player than when he first came into the league. He is defiantly in the 2nd tier of pure pgs but I consider him one now. I know one thing I would love him running the pg for the Pacers.

 

[FirstTimer]

I meant to put D. Williams. idk why I said Lowry hahahaha.

But even Williams can put it up a lot.

Doesn't matter. Neither are true PG's to me. I guess Lowrey is "closer" in some sense but the last two seasons he's started going back to more of a combo guard IMO

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

The problem with the ideology of using a player as big as a forward as your point guard is that, often times, that player does not have the dribble penetration ability and pure speed to get into the heart of the lane and set up passes. The main advantage they have is court vision on their side and the ability to see the defense. That's why I consider Derrick Rose to be a better point guard (offensively) than LeBron James. LeBron is no Magic Johnson when it comes to pure passing and ball-handling ability.

 

[FirstTimer]

actually Lowery this season is playing as a pure pg. But it is the first season I have seen him play like this. He came into the league as a combo but now he is a pass first pg he can shoot. He is a totally different player than when he first came into the league. He is defiantly in the 2nd tier of pure pgs but I consider him one now. I know one thing I would love him running the pg for the Pacers.

From when I've seen him play he screams combo guard to me. I think he's making more of an effort to pass the ball this season but he's still a combo guard. He's just not trying to score as much. To tough to fight those scoring instincts. When Lowry is more effective his game is predicated on him scoring then dishing. A true PG to me can have an impact with very little point if he needed to. Lowry doesn't fit that mold in my mind.

 

[FirstTimer]

The problem with the ideology of using a player as big as a forward as your point guard is that, often times, that player does not have the dribble penetration ability and pure speed to get into the heart of the lane and set up passes. The main advantage they have is court vision on their side and the ability to see the defense. That's why I consider Derrick Rose to be a better point guard (offensively) than LeBron James. LeBron is no Magic Johnson when it comes to pure passing and ball-handling ability.

You should have taken more time off from the forum.

 

[BNB]

Kyle Lowry kinda does everything. He needs to improve his shot selection though. It's pretty shitty right now. Other than that, he CAN score, he CAN pass, he rebounds very well for a PG and for being 6'0, and he always finds his way to get into the passing lane on defense. He reminds me of Rondo in some ways