OT: Who Is The Most Overrated Player In The NBA?

[bleacherbum54]

The problem with the ideology of using a player as big as a forward as your point guard is that, often times, that player does not have the dribble penetration ability and pure speed to get into the heart of the lane and set up passes. The main advantage they have is court vision on their side and the ability to see the defense. That's why I consider Derrick Rose to be a better point guard (offensively) than LeBron James. LeBron is no Magic Johnson when it comes to pure passing and ball-handling ability.

is this suppose to be green?? LBJ gets in the paint better than almost any player in the game.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

LeBron James usually gets his assists off of pick-and-pop plays. Derrick Rose averages more assists in a slower offensive pace and with less talent on his team offensively. And averages nearly as many points.

When LeBron James plays point guard, he is more prone to settling for jumpers and setting up his teammates for 20-footers.

When James is playing a forward slot, he is much more aggressive when it comes to scoring.

 

[FirstTimer]

Kyle Lowry kinda does everything. He needs to improve his shot selection though. It's pretty shitty right now. Other than that, he CAN score, he CAN pass, he rebounds very well for a PG and for being 6'0, and he always finds his way to get into the passing lane on defense. He reminds me of Rondo in some ways

He's a very very very very poor mans AI to me.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

is this suppose to be green?? LBJ gets in the paint better than almost any player in the game.

Not as well as Derrick Rose does, which was my point.

 

[bleacherbum54]

Kyle Lowry kinda does everything. He needs to improve his shot selection though. It's pretty shitty right now. Other than that, he CAN score, he CAN pass, he rebounds very well for a PG and for being 6'0, and he always finds his way to get into the passing lane on defense. He reminds me of Rondo in some ways

Rondo without the vision but a better shooter is probably the best comparison

The thing about Rondo is when he needs to become a scorer he can but he rarely has that mentality. Jkidd in his prime was the same way but much better at it IMO.

 

[FirstTimer]

LeBron James usually gets his assists off of pick-and-pop plays. Derrick Rose averages more assists in a slower offensive pace and with less talent on his team offensively. And averages nearly as many points.

23PPG is not "nearly" 30 PPG

That's like me saying Alonzo Mourning averaged "nearly" as many points per game as Michael Jordan in 1996

Why do you continually say stupid shit?

When LeBron James plays point guard, he is more prone to settling for jumpers and setting up his teammates for 20-footers.

When James is playing a forward slot, he is much more aggressive when it comes to scoring.

James plays point forward you trying to differentiate him playing point from playing forward is laughable.


On top of all this Lebron James is averaging around 30PPG on 55% shooting with 7APG. Rose is almost 7 full points less, less than an assist more and shooting much worse.

If you would rather have Derrick Rose playing PG than Lebron James you are out of your damn fool mind.

 

[BNB]

He's a very very very very poor mans AI to me.

I can kinda see that too. Everything but the scoring though. But I'm sure Lowry could score 30+ if he shot over 23 times a game too haha

 

[thechosenone]

is this suppose to be green?? LBJ gets in the paint better than almost any player in the game.

^^
And this is called LBJ's overrating.

Rose,Wade,Durant can get in the paint better and easier than LBJ.That's why he chokes all the time when he has to close the game.Because he is not so good at getting in the paint.Deffenders are 10000% carefull and he ends up hitting a jump shot or losing the ball.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

You guys shouldn't pretend that LeBron James gets all 30 of his points per-game as a point guard in the offense. Rose gets nearly all of his 23 points per-game as the only point guard on the floor. LeBron often times plays off of the ball and receives the ball in the high post.

 

[bleacherbum54]

LeBron James usually gets his assists off of pick-and-pop plays. Derrick Rose averages more assists in a slower offensive pace and with less talent on his team offensively. And averages nearly as many points.

When LeBron James plays point guard, he is more prone to settling for jumpers and setting up his teammates for 20-footers.

When James is playing a forward slot, he is much more aggressive when it comes to scoring.

Lebron averaged 8 assists in Cleveland with Mo Williams as his 2nd best player lol.

Obviously in Miami he doesn't have the ball as much. Rose is not a better pg than LBJ IMO. But he is a much better SG than LBJ IMO.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Is James a better offensive player overall than Rose? Yes. Is he a better possession-by-possession as the point guard of an offense? No.

 

[houheffna]

Rubio still has work to do. He takes a lot of low percentage shots on offense and once he corrects those types of mistakes and improves that, he will be an elite point guard. Right now, he just isn't. If you don't consider him overrated, go look at who he is ranked higher than in All-star tallies in the Western guards alone.

I think you have a misconception of the word "overrated". You cannot go by allstar voting necessarily. On this site you had people advocating to vote for the starting 5 of the Bulls in the all star game. My response? NO!

Noah doesn't deserve it, Boozer doesn't deserve it, Hamilton doesn't deserve it. Deng...maybe and Rose is the best pg in the league imo. They do that in Europe too, I would imagine. They did it in China with Yao.

That is why you confused me...Norris Cole?

And our conversations concerning Kevin Love...you don't make sense to me on that one. You stated that Griffin was better than Dirk....and Duncan was better than Love...Love compares to Boozer defensively according to you but, Love is the best rebounder in the league and shoots 40% from 3pt. I refuse to call a guy who gets 30pts and 30rebs in a game overrated. He deserves the hype he is getting...

 

[FirstTimer]

^^
And this is called LBJ's overrating.

Rose,Wade,Durant can get in the paint better and easier than LBJ.That's why he chokes all the time when he has to close the game.Because he is not so good at getting in the paint.Deffenders are 10000% carefull and he ends up hitting a jump shot or losing the ball.

Umm. Earth to McFly. If defenders have to be THAT careful that he doesn't get to the lane..that would imply that Lebron James is REALLY fucking good at getting to the lane.

You guys shouldn't pretend that LeBron James gets all 30 of his points per-game as a point guard in the offense.

And you shouldn't pretend to know anything about basketball.

Rose gets nearly all of his 23 points per-game as the only point guard on the floor. LeBron often times plays off of the ball and receives the ball in the high post.

Yeah because we haven't seen Lebron average at/almost 30PPG being the main PG in an offense.

Do you even watch basketball?

 

[FirstTimer]

. Is he a better possession-by-possession as the point guard of an offense? Yes.

Fixed it for you.

 

[bleacherbum54]

^^
And this is called LBJ's overrating.

Rose,Wade,Durant can get in the paint better and easier than LBJ.That's why he chokes all the time when he has to close the game.Because he is not so good at getting in the paint.Deffenders are 10000% carefull and he ends up hitting a jump shot or losing the ball.

Not really he fails in crunch time because the Heat stop running their offense and just do ISOs.

But he said LBJ doesnt get in the paint like elite pgs which just isnt true.

are Rose and Westbrook better at it?? Yes. But outside an elite few LBJ gets to the rim better than almost any one. With his size is very rare.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Lebron averaged 8 assists in Cleveland with Mo Williams as his 2nd best player lol.

Obviously in Miami he doesn't have the ball as much. Rose is not a better pg than LBJ IMO. But he is a much better SG than LBJ IMO.

LeBron James scored and/or assisted almost 50% of that team's offense because Mike Brown's philosophy was to walk the ball up the court in James' hands and hit open three point shooters.

James also doesn't have the pure speed that he had before putting on all of that muscle mass. That's why I see James as more of a forward now offensively.

I disagree that Rose is a better SG than James.

 

[FirstTimer]

LeBron James scored and/or assisted almost 50% of that team's offense because Mike Brown's philosophy was to walk the ball up the court in James' hands and hit open three point shooters.

James also doesn't have the pure speed that he had before putting on all of that muscle mass. That's why I see James as more of a forward now offensively.

I disagree that Rose is a better SG than James.

You're an idiot. Increased muscle mass for an elite athlete like Lebron James does not correspond to a decrease in speed.

You keep saying this and it keeps being wrong.

 

[thechosenone]

Umm. Earth to McFly. If defenders have to be THAT careful that he doesn't get to the lane..that would imply that Lebron James is REALLY fucking good at getting to the lane.

No.Deffenders are always more careful when it comes to the last possession of the game.Either with the ball it is LBJ or Noah and trying to get in the paint.

 

[houheffna]

^^
And this is called LBJ's overrating.

Rose,Wade,Durant can get in the paint better and easier than LBJ.That's why he chokes all the time when he has to close the game.Because he is not so good at getting in the paint.Deffenders are 10000% carefull and he ends up hitting a jump shot or losing the ball.

When you say LBJ you must be talking about Lyndon Baines Johnson...the original "LBJ"...you are not trying to tell me Durant and Wade get in the paint better than Lebron does. Lebron is averaging 10 FT a game, none of the people you mentioned are anywhere close to that.

Wade was practically immobile on Sunday...they held him in check pretty good. Lebron? Not so much...

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

LeBron James always at least had Mo Williams and Delonte West (often out there on the court with him at the same time) as secondary and third play-makers to help Cleveland's play-making. Derrick Rose has been the sole play-maker for the Bulls nearly every time he is on the court.