OT: Who Is The Most Overrated Player In The NBA?

[FirstTimer]

No.Deffenders are always more careful when it comes to the last possession of the game.Either with the ball it is LBJ or Noah and trying to get in the paint.

Speak English.

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[FirstTimer]

LeBron James always at least had Mo Williams and Delonte West (often out there on the court with him at the same time) as secondary and third play-makers to help Cleveland's play-making. Derrick Rose has been the sole play-maker for the Bulls nearly every time he is on the court.

LOL at pumping up Mo Williams and Delonte fucking West.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

The closest thing Rose has had to a secondary play-maker for the last 2+ seasons is Joakim Noah (and now finally Richard Hamilton). James has Wade and Chalmers now and Williams and West (Hughes prior) before.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

No one is claiming that Mo and Delonte are these amazing basketball players. But when it came to play-making, LeBron James has always had more help than Derrick Rose.

 

[bleacherbum54]

LeBron James scored and/or assisted almost 50% of that team's offense because Mike Brown's philosophy was to walk the ball up the court in James' hands and hit open three point shooters.

James also doesn't have the pure speed that he had before putting on all of that muscle mass. That's why I see James as more of a forward now offensively.

I disagree that Rose is a better SG than James.

With the teams Mike Brown was given you cant fault him for that style of play.

What do you advice him to do feed Z in the post 20 times a game:nope:?? The team outside of LBJ was garbage just a bunch of jump shooters.

It isnt Mike Brown's fault the GM failed the team. He can only do so much with what he has. He did a hell of a job getting 66 wins with a poor team outside of LBJ.

 

[nwfisch]

The closest thing Rose has had to a secondary play-maker for the last 2+ seasons is Joakim Noah (and now finally Richard Hamilton). James has Wade and Chalmers now and Williams and West (Hughes prior) before.

The Bulls ponied up 5/75 for a secondary play maker.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

With the teams Mike Brown was given you cant fault him for that style of play.

What do you advice him to do feed Z in the post 20 times a game:nope:?? The team outside of LBJ was garbage just a bunch of jump shooters.

It isnt Mike Brown's fault the GM failed the team. He can only do so much with what he has. He did a hell of a job getting 66 wins with a poor team outside of LBJ.

Both parties deserve plenty of blame. When you have LeBron James on your team, as a coach, you need to be able to at least attempt to quicken the pace of the game to allow James to shine in transition.

 

[bleacherbum54]

The closest thing Rose has had to a secondary play-maker for the last 2+ seasons is Joakim Noah (and now finally Richard Hamilton). James has Wade and Chalmers now and Williams and West (Hughes prior) before.

I cant stop laughing Larry Hughes and Delote West as play maker LOL just spit up my water.

even Mo Willams is basically a catch and shoot shooter he can create for himself but is a poor passer.

Boozer by himself is more talented play maker than the rest of the Cavs team LBJ had.

 

[FirstTimer]

The closest thing Rose has had to a secondary play-maker for the last 2+ seasons is Joakim Noah (and now finally Richard Hamilton). James has Wade and Chalmers now and Williams and West (Hughes prior) before.

Please never use those in the same sentence again.

K.

Thnx.

Mo Williams can create a bit...but needs another guy drawing attention to do so. That's why it worked with James.

West is a spot up shooter. Trying to make him into any sort of creator is hilariously bad.

This is all besides the point of you thinkign Rose is a better PG than James though which is laughably bad. Rose isn't a pure PG. He's a scoring PG who doesn't pass better than James, doesn't shoot better than James, doesn't score betetr than James, and for all the hand wrigning you do about James not getting into the lane he is among the league leaders in FT attempts IIRC.

You go away for a while, the board is fine, you come back and start spouting off at the mouth about stupid shit and it blows up.

Nice work.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

I cant stop laughing Larry Hughes and Delote West as play maker LOL just spit up my water.

even Mo Willams is basically a catch and shoot shooter he can create for himself but is a poor passer.

The point remains that LeBron James still had more help in regard to dribble penetrators and facilitation than Derrick Rose has had.

 

[FirstTimer]

The point remains that LeBron James still had more help in regard to dribble penetrators and facilitation than Derrick Rose has had.

Rip, Deng, Boozer>Williams, West..........????

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

As a PG, you need a player who can get into the lane and create for others. Derrick Rose is better at doing that than LeBron James. There is no denying that.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Luol Deng and Carlos Boozer are not going to take you off of the dribble as well as Mo Williams and Delonte West. Rose is the guy who sets up nearly every decent shot the Bulls get in that first unit and always has been.

 

[FirstTimer]

As a PG, you need a player who can get into the lane and create for others. Derrick Rose is better at doing that than LeBron James. There is no denying that.

Yes there is.

Derrick Rose is not better at getting into the lane and creating for others than Lebron James.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Yes there is.

Derrick Rose is not better at getting into the lane and creating for others than Lebron James.

You're wrong.

 

[FirstTimer]

Luol Deng and Carlos Boozer are not going to take you off of the dribble as well as Mo Williams and Delonte West. Rose is the guy who sets up nearly every decent shot the Bulls get in that first unit and always has been.

Well I would hope not because two are guards and the other guys are forwards. Relative to their positions though Deng and Boozer>West and Williams.

Hilarious.

You leave the board because all you do is get into fights. You come back and rather than learning your lesson immedietly start saying stupid bullshit again.

I can only assume you are Special person or have early onset Alzheimers.

 

[FirstTimer]

You're right.

Fixed.

Thanks.

 

[thechosenone]

When you say LBJ you must be talking about Lyndon Baines Johnson...the original "LBJ"...you are not trying to tell me Durant and Wade get in the paint better than Lebron does. Lebron is averaging 10 FT a game, none of the people you mentioned are anywhere close to that.

Wade was practically immobile on Sunday...they held him in check pretty good. Lebron? Not so much...

And averaging more FT a game means he can get easier and better in the paint?LeBron is more effective when he plays as a PF.It would be my pleasure to see LeBron vs Deng in the final possession of the EFC.I will know from the beggining that he will hit a difficult shot with 10% to make it or he will lose the ball or he will travel.Seeing the ball on Wade,Rose or Durrant's hands vs Deng that would be the hardest 15 seconds of the year.

I don't have something with Lebron.He is the best player in the NBA.It's only the guys who overrate him i can't stand.Saying that LeBron is a better PG than Rose is a joke.

 

[FirstTimer]

And averaging more FT a game means he can get easier and better in the paint?LeBron is more effective when he plays as a PF.

Never watched games before.

Thanks.

 

[bleacherbum54]

Luol Deng and Carlos Boozer are not going to take you off of the dribble as well as Mo Williams and Delonte West. Rose is the guy who sets up nearly every decent shot the Bulls get in that first unit and always has been.

The Pacers dont have a single player who doesnt play pg who can take their man off the dribble.(please dont say Danny Granger he cant very well)

David West is the only guy who can

Post players like Boozer can be play makers. Boozer makes great offensive plays every game. You dont have to take your man off the dribble to be a playmaker that is ridiculous to imply. If that was the case Dwight Howard wouldnt be a play maker.

you dont need guys who can create to be a great team LBJ was the only creator on that team outside of Mo Williams and there is no denying that. That team won 66 games as LBJ as the only creator and damn near the only good player. If Boozer or Amare would of went to the Cavs a few years prior LBJ wins a championship IMO. The FO failed that team.