Paxson Talks About Bulls Making Playoffs

[Chief Walking Stick]

2012 Draft = Deep

2013 Draft = Talented

Other way around.

 

[the canadian dream]

i thought this years draft wasn't deep?



im getting mixed messages about this years draft.



Stan has a year to get those picks back so thats a positive. Wether he does it or not or can? Well it's just another test he created for himself. He seems good at that.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

Other way around.

TSN panelists all had 2012 as being a few high talented guys then a bit of a drop off. From their it's very deep though with Dmen.



2013 has a lot of highly talented players.

 

[roshinaya]

Trading away the 2013 picks makes it impossible for Stan to do any offer sheets. If the same rules are in the CBA, which is likely.

 

[mikita's helmet]

He's hot. And his name is dirty. This team is breaking my heart and balls, so I'll take this action.

Sorry to hear about your balls.

 

[CLWolf81]

i thought this years draft wasn't deep?

It isn't. Its probably going to be one of the more boring ones... Sure, there's lots of defensemen going early, but its going to be nothing like Karlsson or Doughty...



2013 is rumored to be deep, so we'll see when we get to it. Thats why I've noticed there's been a lot of 2013 draft trades lately, and especially for decently talented players... lol



Teams like us were willing to sacrifice for it.... so we'll see what Oduya does.

 

[bierboy]

...and balls licked, too.

Jacko....is that you?...

 

[Pez68]

TSN panelists all had 2012 as being a few high talented guys then a bit of a drop off. From their it's very deep though with Dmen.



2013 has a lot of highly talented players.

Which is why the 2nd and 3rd and additional 4th in 2013 are worth more than the 2012 1st round pick.

 

[Ton]

Not really, all those "highly talented guys" probably won't be around after the 50th pick.

 

[the canadian dream]

He has a year to get those picks back. Doesn't have a year to get a first rounder back.





Can't believe anyone would be in support of trading a first round pick for a third line center. What the **** has happened to common hockey sense? Pez Im shocked at you. You are smarter than that you dick head. Smack yourself and wake up.



Used to be a world where first round picks would be packaged in to get teams high caliber players now they get you 3rd liners? Bullshit.

 

[Pez68]

I think both deals are bad, but I think the deal for Oduya is worse than the 1st for Gaustad with a 4th coming back. Could have used those picks to offer sheet Schneider and put Vancouver in a really tough spot this summer. Not so smart of a trade now, is it? Those picks have more value in the offseason than they do to this team, here and now. Oduya isn't putting them over the edge.

 

[Ton]

He has a year to get those picks back. Doesn't have a year to get a first rounder back.



Can't believe anyone would be in support of trading a first round pick for a third line center. What the **** has happened to common hockey sense? Pez Im shocked at you. You are smarter than that you dick head. Smack yourself and wake up.



Used to be a world where first round picks would be packaged in to get teams high caliber players now they get you 3rd liners? Bullshit.

I'm shaking my head here too. The price is too high and realistically that would just be blowing a 1st round pick on nothing if we didn't win the Cup considering Gaustad is a UFA. Oduya is a UFA as well, but I think he'll be more reasonably priced to re-sign than Gaustad.

 

[Ton]

I think both deals are bad, but I think the deal for Oduya is worse than the 1st for Gaustad with a 4th coming back. Could have used those picks to offer sheet Schneider and put Vancouver in a really tough spot this summer. Not so smart of a trade now, is it? Those picks have more value in the offseason than they do to this team, here and now. Oduya isn't putting them over the edge.

Stan can easily acquire picks at the draft if he wanted to do that.



Gaustad really wouldn't have "put them over the edge" either. At this point I'm more concerned about Toews status rather than the pressure building in the organization.

 

[Pez68]

Stan can easily acquire picks at the draft if he wanted to do that.



Gaustad really wouldn't have "put them over the edge" either. At this point I'm more concerned about Toews status rather than the pressure building in the organization.

I think you're missing the part of offer sheets that requires you have to use your picks.



The criteria for RFA draft pick compensation in 2011-12 is as follows:

• $1,034,249 annual cap hit or less: No compensation
  
• $1,034,249 — $1,567,043: Third-round pick
  
• $1,567,043 — $3,134,088: Second-round pick
  
• $3,134,088 — $4,701,131: First and third-round pick
  
• $4,701,131 — $6,268,175: First, second and third-round pick
  
• $6,268,175 — $7,835,219: Two first-round picks, a second and third
  
• $7,835,219 and higher: Four first-round picks
  

Teams submitting offer sheets must have the necessary draft picks outlined above and the picks must be their own (cannot be from other teams). It is possible to have multiple signed offer sheets on the table at once as long as the team has the appropriate draft picks.





And yeah, Gaustad wouldn't have put them over the edge either. I would have rather they didn't do shit, to be perfectly honest. None of the problems with this team were being fixed at the TDL.

 

[Ton]

Is there a rule that your can't re-acquire picks you've traded? He can get them back if he really wanted to do that but he's obviously not thinking about offer sheeting anyone especially with the Hawks apparent bad reputation in the NHL at the moment. It would be stupid for them to go out and do that.

 

[Pez68]

Re-acquire what picks? You think Winnipeg is going to trade the Chicago picks back to them? Before free agency? No, not likely.



Vancouver isn't dealing with the Hawks anyways. Those teams will likely never trade between each other, so what does it matter? An offer sheet on Schneider would be an extremely smart tactical move, even if you don't land him, just because it forces Vancouver to make a hard choice.



Trading both those picks took away the option to offer sheet ANYONE. Even if the chances of you offer sheeting somebody are slim, taking away that option is assinine. Especially for a band-aid. Those picks are WAY more valuable in the offseason. It was a stupid trade, any way you want to cut it.

 

[Ton]

Yes I think they are going to re-acquire the picks before free agency so they can offer sheet Schneider. I also pray to Eklund, smoke crack, and traded Kane for Turris on my Xbox this morning.



I was just saying there is no rule against getting your picks back.



Offer sheets are rarely used and for good reason. Since the lockout, only six players have signed offer sheets and only one of them have actually switched teams (Dustin Penner), and when that happened the Oilers pissed off a lot of people. Vancouver pissed off St. Louis, so St. Louis returned the favor by sending an offer sheet back their way. We don't need that right now.



Since 2008, only one player has signed an offer sheet... Hjalmarsson.

 

[Pez68]

So because it's frowned upon, it shouldn't be an option. I'm sorry, I don't agree. I don't see SJ being blacklisted for that offer sheet. I don't see the Oilers or Vancouver being blacklisted for that offer sheet either. Sure it's frowned upon, but in certain situations it is an extremely smart move. Like Vancouver and Schneider, and the Blackhawks and Hammer. Both cap strapped teams that have to make some hard decisions. Both teams had nobody to blame but themselves for their mess. The Hawks are still feeling the effects of that offer sheet from San Jose. It would be a great move to do the same fucking thing to Vancouver.



I also feel that the 2nd and 3rd have much more value come free agency, if the Hawks wanted to trade for an RFA... We'll see what the going rates are for guys moved around draft day and free agency. We'll just agree to disagree right now.

 

[Ton]

Then when Leddy becomes an RFA, better hope Vancouver doesn't remember.

 

[Pez68]

Hawks should never let it get to that point, and if they do, tough shit. Vancouver has gone all in, just like the Hawks did in 2010. If you let important guys go to RFA because you're to the cap and making a run at the cup, you deserve what happens after. Weber and Parise were protected from offer sheets by arbitration.