Pick an owner: Reinsdorf or Dolan

[97Bulls]

The one time you mentioned Thomas was as a staple of an organization. That is wrong. Wrong wrong wrong. Are you the Fonz? Are you incapable of admitting you were wrong about Thomas being a staple?[video=youtube;uwkU8-d1gIk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwkU8-d1gIk[/video]

Thomas is a staple of a losing organization. The Charlotte Bobcats.

Carlos Boozer was considered a prized free agent, but does he suck because Reinsdorf signed him?


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/31/s...&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=print

I reffereed to Thomas as a core piece of a possible championship contending team. I never said Thomas was a staple. You took my post out of context. As usual

 

[Scoot26]

I reffereed to Thomas as a core piece of a possible championship contending team. I never said Thomas was a staple. You took my post out of context. As usual

Tyrus isn't even that.

 

[nwfisch]

I reffereed to Thomas as a core piece of a possible championship contending team. I never said Thomas was a staple. You took my post out of context. As usual

He isn't that. He was a mistake. Rag on Reinsdorf for trading Aldridge for Thomas, but if the Bulls do that, they probably aren't in position to draft Derrick Rose.

 

[97Bulls]

He isn't that. He was a mistake. Rag on Reinsdorf for trading Aldridge for Thomas, but if the Bulls do that, they probably aren't in position to draft Derrick Rose.

I dont fault Reiinsdorf for not picking Aldridge. Thats hindsight. Thomas was ranked very high on draft boards.

 

[nwfisch]

I dont fault Reiinsdorf for not picking Aldridge. Thats hindsight. Thomas was ranked very high on draft boards.

The Bulls picked Aldridge and traded him for Thomas...

 

[Scoot26]

The Bulls picked Aldridge and traded him for Thomas...

To be fair..that was pre-arranged.

 

[97Bulls]

Tyrus isn't even that.

What are you talking about? He ws avg 10/6 on 47% in only 21 minutes. Hes always been a stud on defense. You dont think he couldve played the same role a young dennis rodman played on the Pistons? When he used to give Jordan and Pippen fits?

You do realize hes been injured right?

http://mobile.sbnation.com/2011/1/2...ry-torn-meniscus-sends-bobcat-out-eight-weeks

 

[Scoot26]

What are you talking about? He ws avg 10/6 on 47% in only 21 minutes. Hes always been a stud on defense. You dont think he couldve played the same role a young dennis rodman played on the Pistons? When he used to give Jordan and Pippen fits?

No, no I dont. He's very athletic, but is dumb as shit.

 

[97Bulls]

No, no I dont. He's very athletic, but is dumb as shit.

Lol hes only 22. He used to frustrate me with his shot selection. But thats a part of being immature. Prhaps thibs couldve convinced him to concentrate on being a defensive specialist.

 

[Scoot26]

Lol hes only 22. He used to frustrate me with his shot selection. But thats a part of being immature. Prhaps thibs couldve convinced him to concentrate on being a defensive specialist.

Uh, he's 26. That is entirely possible. Tyrus I pretty much compared to Stromile Swift.

 

[Diddy1122]

They were getting old. But as I said. They werent looking for long term deals. They wanted one year contracts until they lost then theyd move on. Theres no doubt in my mind they beat the Spurs in 99. People forget the Bulls won 62 games in 98 with Pippen missing half the season. Theyre easily a 68 win team with a healthy Pippen. Unfortunately, we will never know because they never got the
chance to defend their title.

Those of us who were already adults by the time the '98 season rolled around KNEW that this would be the last year. That sentiment was evident from the start. Jackson's contract was up & he'd already made it clear he would rather retire than work for Krause. MJ stated that off season that he would not play for any other coach. Pip's back was already starting to rob him of the quickness & athleticism that made him the best wing defender in NBA history. The team nearly lost game 7 of the ECF (AT HOME) to a very tough Pacers team, but won on sheer will (22 offensive boards) & Kukoc's timely 3pt shooting. There's no guarantees in basketball & it was pretty clear the team was on it's last legs. Would it have been smart of the owner to pay $35M to MJ for a year, or Pip $11-12M with a balky back, or resign an almost uninterested Rodman at that point? No. The team would have been on a decline (see post '98 Utah Jazz) with their championships clearly in the rearview. It sucks that dynasties have an expiration date, but ours did & it was 1998.

 

[nwfisch]

Those of us who were already adults by the time the '98 season rolled around KNEW that this would be the last year. That sentiment was evident from the start. Jackson's contract was up & he'd already made it clear he would rather retire than work for Krause. MJ stated that off season that he would not play for any other coach. Pip's back was already starting to rob him of the quickness & athleticism that made him the best wing defender in NBA history. The team nearly lost game 7 of the ECF (AT HOME) to a very tough Pacers team, but won on sheer will (22 offensive boards) & Kukoc's timely 3pt shooting. There's no guarantees in basketball & it was pretty clear the team was on it's last legs. Would it have been smart of the owner to pay $35M to MJ for a year, or Pip $11-12M with a balky back, or resign an almost uninterested Rodman at that point? No. The team would have been on a decline (see post '98 Utah Jazz) with their championships clearly in the rearview. It sucks that dynasties have an expiration date, but ours did & it was 1998.

But Reinsdorf didn't care Diddy.

 

[97Bulls]

Uh, he's 26. That is entirely possible. Tyrus I pretty much compared to Stromile Swift.

Im sorry. I was referring to when he was with the Bulls. He was 23 when traded

 

[97Bulls]

Those of us who were already adults by the time the '98 season rolled around KNEW that this would be the last year. That sentiment was evident from the start. Jackson's contract was up & he'd already made it clear he would rather retire than work for Krause. MJ stated that off season that he would not play for any other coach. Pip's back was already starting to rob him of the quickness & athleticism that made him the best wing defender in NBA history. The team nearly lost game 7 of the ECF (AT HOME) to a very tough Pacers team, but won on sheer will (22 offensive boards) & Kukoc's timely 3pt shooting. There's no guarantees in basketball & it was pretty clear the team was on it's last legs. Would it have been smart of the owner to pay $35M to MJ for a year, or Pip $11-12M with a balky back, or resign an almost uninterested Rodman at that point? No. The team would have been on a decline (see post '98 Utah Jazz) with their championships clearly in the rearview. It
sucks that dynasties have an expiration date, but ours did & it was 1998.

The team wasnt broken up due to age. It was broken up due to egos. Big ones. Money surely wasnt an issue becaue i remember Jordan saying hes be willing to sign one year contracts until they lose. And thats the key. None of the core, Rodman, Jordan, Pippen and Jackson, had interest in siging a longterm deal. All they wanted was the opportunity to finish the dynasty. And not leave what ifs on the table. Krause tol jackson he didnt care if You guys go to 82-0 it was gonna be over.






I also have to disagree with you saying theres no guarantees. When the Bulls FO broke up that team, we were guaranteed to not win in 99

 

[nwfisch]

The team wasnt broken up due to age. It was broken up due to egos. Big ones. Money surely wasnt an issue becaue i remember Jordan saying hes be willing to sign one year contracts until they lose. And thats the key. None of the core, Rodman, Jordan, Pippen and Jackson, had interest in siging a longterm deal. All they wanted was the opportunity to finish the dynasty. And not leave what ifs on the table. Krause tol jackson he didnt care if You guys go to 82-0 it was gonna be over.






I also have to disagree with you saying theres no guarantees. When the Bulls FO broke up that team, we were guaranteed to not win in 99

Then if Krause said it was over, it isn't Reinsdorf's fault, is it?

 

[clonetrooper264]

As an owner...I actually could see the case for Dolan over Reinsdorf.

I'd attribute the Bulls' success more to the GM abilities of GarPax than because of Reinsdorf's willingness to pay or whatever. The Knicks' failures have been more due to terrible GM decisions than Dolan's willingness to pay. I think if you combined GarPax with Dolan you'd have a much better result.

 

[97Bulls]

Then if Krause said it was over, it isn't Reinsdorf's fault, is it?

He didnt intervene.

 

[97Bulls]

As an owner...I actually could see the case for Dolan over Reinsdorf.

I'd attribute the Bulls' success more to the GM abilities of GarPax than because of Reinsdorf's willingness to pay or whatever. The Knicks' failures have been more due to terrible GM decisions than Dolan's willingness to pay. I think if you combined GarPax with Dolan you'd have a much better result.

Thank you. These guys just want to argue. As a fan, who wouldnt jump at the the chance of haviing an owner whos willing to spend whatever to bring in a contender.

Would you rather work for a cheap Boss or a Boss thats gonna spend money on his employees. And more than that. His non chalant attitude towards the Bulls. Its right in front of our face. The rings comment? The basketball is just a sport comment? No wonder we cant get any big name players

 

[Diddy1122]

The team wasnt broken up due to age. It was broken up due to egos. Big ones. Money surely wasnt an issue becaue i remember Jordan saying hes be willing to sign one year contracts until they lose. And thats the key. None of the core, Rodman, Jordan, Pippen and Jackson, had interest in siging a longterm deal. All they wanted was the opportunity to finish the dynasty. And not leave what ifs on the table. Krause tol jackson he didnt care if You guys go to 82-0 it was gonna be over.

Egos played their part, but as I've stated many times on here before, the Bulls were not dominant by the end of '98. Their age was starting to show. It was evident to anyone with 2 working eyes. And, YES, money was an issue. You've completely forgotten the fact that the league was HEADING TOWARD A LOCKOUT. The owners had no idea what the new CBA agreement would look like & if they even would be able to keep the team together. But I guess there's really no need to take that into account when talking about the motivations for the owner's actions.

 

[houheffna]

As an owner...I actually could see the case for Dolan over Reinsdorf.

I'd attribute the Bulls' success more to the GM abilities of GarPax than because of Reinsdorf's willingness to pay or whatever. The Knicks' failures have been more due to terrible GM decisions than Dolan's willingness to pay. I think if you combined GarPax with Dolan you'd have a much better result.

Lol...if Reinsdorf did with Jeremy Lin what Dolan just did...people would be climbing the walls and calling for JR's head. Dolan's problems are Dolan's fault! It is like running a company or being POTUS. You have to delegate responsibility and delegate WELL! You have to do a good job or you shouldn't be in that position.

I personally have had problems with Paxson...but I am not calling for Reinsdorf to sell the team because he did well enough in his decision making to get 6 rings. Dolan spends money to make up for the mistakes he made. He cakes mistake on top of costly mistake, that is why the Knicks spent $200mil in lux tax...