Pick an owner: Reinsdorf or Dolan

[nwfisch]

In all fairness, when that Bulls dynasty was broken up, that team was aging. I was only 13 when that team was broken up but the more I think about it years later, the more it makes sense.

Exactly. MAYBE you win one more title. Wah. We as fans are lucky to see six in eight seasons.

 

[DaBearsrule4ever]

Exactly. MAYBE you win one more title. Wah. We as fans are lucky to see six in eight seasons.

IF that team was kept together for one more year, I honestly don't think they would have won in 1999. Heck, Phil Jackson and Jerry Krause where at eachothers throats at the time too.

 

[97Bulls]

In all fairness, when that Bulls dynasty was broken up, that team was aging. I was only 13 when that team was broken up but the more I think about it years later, the more it makes sense.

In what way? When you have a dynasty, you ride that thing until the the wheels fall off. It makes no sense to break up a team because they MIGHT
Lose. Youre acting as if winning championsships is easy. Hhave you been paying attention to what weve had to endure?


Besiides. Krauses statements made it very clear he didnt break up that team due to age. Loook at the Spurs team that won. David Robinson returning from maajor back and foot injuries surgery. Thirty five year old career cba player in Mario Elie. Another cba player in jarren jackson. A past prime oft injured Sean Elliot. A career journeyman pg in avery Johnson. And Duncan. Hell they were older than the Bulls.

 

[97Bulls]

And how is that Reinsdorf's fault for being cheap?

Gee if Reinsdorf was that set on making a profit, he would have dumped salary every year, no?

He would have traded Pippen for a rookie McGrady.

He has dumped salary every year. The Bulls have had one of the lowest payrolls in the NBA over the last 15 years.

 

[nwfisch]

He has dumped salary every year. The Bulls have had one of the lowest payrolls in the NBA over the last 15 years.

He dumped salary to sign Derrick Rose to a max extension?

If he was cheap, wouldn't he just let all the rookies go when they hit free agency?

Signed Luol Deng, Joakim Noah, and Carlos Boozer to albatrosses of contracts.

It's fine to critcize the deals he gave, the problem I have is you're calling him cheap when he's signed many free agent to genorous deals.

 

[DaBearsrule4ever]

In what way? When you have a dynasty, you ride that thing until the the wheels fall off. It makes no sense to break up a team because they MIGHT
Lose. Youre acting as if winning championsships is easy. Hhave you been paying attention to what weve had to endure?


Besiides. Krauses statements made it very clear he didnt break up that team due to age. Loook at the Spurs team that won. David Robinson returning from maajor back and foot injuries surgery. Thirty five year old career cba player in Mario Elie. Another cba player in jarren jackson. A past prime oft injured Sean Elliot. A career journeyman pg in avery Johnson. And Duncan. Hell they were older than the Bulls.

I say due to the fact that the Bulls just barely got past the Pacers in the eastern conference finals in 98. I knew it wasn't going to be easy but just sayin. Teams get younger and faster these days. Look at the Spurs (not as old as the Spurs team of 99 but still old enough) of last season and look at what happened to them against the Thunder in the western conference finals.

 

[97Bulls]

I say due to the fact that the Bulls just barely got past the Pacers in the eastern conference finals in 98. I knew it wasn't going to be easy but just sayin. Teams get younger and faster these days. Look at the Spurs (not as old as the Spurs team of 99 but still old enough) of last season and look at what happened to them against the Thunder in the western conference finals.

They barely got past the Knicks iin 93 and 92. Should they have broken them up then? The only reason that series was close in 98the was because Pippen hurt his back in the middle of game six. Had Pippen stayed healthy, they wiin game siix with virtually no sweat.

And i fail to see how what going on now has any bearing on what happened 15 years ago

 

[nwfisch]

They barely got past the Knicks iin 93 and 92. Should they have broken them up then? The only reason that series was close in 98the was because Pippen hurt his back in the middle of game six. Had Pippen stayed healthy, they wiin game siix with virtually no sweat.

And i fail to see how what going on now has any bearing on what happened 15 years ago

If you can't see the difference between keeping a prime Jordan/Pippen and an replacing an aging Jordan/Pippen, I don't know what to tell you.

The thing is the Spurs are getting older too. They had a great run with Duncan/Parker/Ginobili. Now may be time for them to consider rebuilding as well.

 

[97Bulls]

He dumped salary to sign Derrick Rose to a max extension?

If he was cheap, wouldn't he just let all the rookies go when they hit free agency?

Signed Luol Deng, Joakim Noah, and Carlos Boozer to albatrosses of contracts.

It's fine to critcize the deals he gave, the problem I have is you're calling him cheap when he's signed many free agent to genorous deals.

Theres something wrong with you. Deng and Noah are not overpayed. Especilly Noah. Perhaps boozer is. But as I pointed out the Bulls have had a 15 year run of having one of the lowest payrolls in the league

 

[nwfisch]

Theres something wrong with you. Deng and Noah are not overpayed. Especilly Noah. Perhaps boozer is. But as I pointed out the Bulls have had a 15 year run of having one of the lowest payrolls in the league

This can't be reality.

 

[DaBearsrule4ever]

They barely got past the Knicks iin 93 and 92. Should they have broken them up then? The only reason that series was close in 98the was because Pippen hurt his back in the middle of game six. Had Pippen stayed healthy, they wiin game siix with virtually no sweat.

And i fail to see how what going on now has any bearing on what happened 15 years ago

Well, since the words where already taken out of my mouth with not knowing whatelse to tell you since you obviously want to compare Jordan/Pippen in their prime vs. an aging Jordan/Pippen, go for it. However though, Where do I act like winning a championship is easy? Trust me, i'm one of the last people that will say that winning a championship is easy because it's not. I just would have had my doubts if the last 3 peat team would have stayed together for one more season because of the fact that team was aging from top to bottom. Age eventually catches up to a team.

As far as whats going on now has any bearing to what happened a decade and a half ago, you're right, it has nothing to do with it. However though, you are the one who brought up the 1999 Spurs which is true, that team was aging. I was comparing a young team like the Thunder to an aging team like the Spurs, thats all.

 

[97Bulls]

If you can't see the difference between keeping a prime Jordan/Pippen and an replacing an aging Jordan/Pippen, I don't know what to tell you.

The thing is the Spurs are getting older too. They had a great run with Duncan/Parker/Ginobili. Now may be time for them to consider rebuilding as well.

The poiint is you dont break up a team thats fresh of a threepeat. Especially when they werent looking for long term deals. Jordan signed two one year contracts, Rodmaan signed a one year deal, im sure if Krause wasnt such a jackass Pippen wouldve fell in line too. Ae well as jackson. Steve kerr said in an intterview he would signed a one year deal. Harper an Kukoc were still undder contract. Longley was a FA. But if he didnt want to fall in line hes easily replaced. Krauses ego would not allow any part of it.

To summarize, I'd agree with you if the core was looking for long extensions. But iits clear they werent. The Bulls couldve rebuilt at any time. Why not run the well dry.

 

[nwfisch]

The poiint is you dont break up a team thats fresh of a threepeat. Especially when they werent looking for long term deals. Jordan signed two one year contracts, Rodmaan signed a one year deal, im sure if Krause wasnt such a jackass Pippen wouldve fell in line too. Ae well as jackson. Steve kerr said in an intterview he would signed a one year deal. Harper an Kukoc were still undder contract. Longley was a FA. But if he didnt want to fall in line hes easily replaced. Krauses ego would not allow any part of it.

To summarize, I'd agree with you if the core was looking for long extensions. But iits clear they werent. The Bulls couldve rebuilt at any time. Why not run the well dry.

The well was beginning to dry. Pippen's back was getting worse. Jordan was beginning to break down, and so was Rodman. Maybe they could have won one more title, but its stupid to ***** when the Bulls won 6 in 8 seasons.

 

[97Bulls]

Well, since the words where already taken out of my mouth with not knowing whatelse to tell you since you obviously want to compare Jordan/Pippen in their prime vs. an aging Jordan/Pippen, go for it. However though, Where do I act like winning a championship is easy? Trust me, i'm one of the last people that will say that winning a championship is easy because it's not. I just would have had my doubts if the last 3 peat team would have stayed together for one more season because of the fact that team was aging from top to bottom. Age eventually catches up to a team.

As far as whats going on now has any bearing to what happened a decade and a half ago, you're right, it has nothing to do with it. However though, you are the one who brought up the 1999 Spurs which is true, that team was aging. I was comparing a young team like the Thunder to an aging team like the Spurs, thats all.

All iim saying is I wish they wouldve had the chance. If they lose, they are broken up in 00. And theres no doubt left in anyones mind. The FO. Eliiminated the chance. And thats sad

 

[97Bulls]

Well, since the words where already taken out of my mouth with not knowing whatelse to tell you since you obviously want to compare Jordan/Pippen in their prime vs. an aging Jordan/Pippen, go for it. However though, Where do I act like winning a championship is easy? Trust me, i'm one of the last people that will say that winning a championship is easy because it's not. I just would have had my doubts if the last 3 peat team would have stayed together for one more season because of the fact that team was aging from top to bottom. Age eventually catches up to a team.

As far as whats going on now has any bearing to what happened a decade and a half ago, you're right, it has nothing to do with it. However though, you are the one who brought up the 1999 Spurs which is true, that team was aging. I was comparing a young team like the Thunder to an aging team like the Spurs, thats all.

All iim saying is I wish they wouldve had the chance. If they lose, they are broken up in 00. And theres no doubt left in anyones mind. The FO. Eliiminated the chance. And thats sad

 

[97Bulls]

The well was beginning to dry. Pippen's back was getting worse. Jordan was beginning to break down, and so was Rodman. Maybe they could have won one more title, but its stupid to ***** when the Bulls won 6 in 8 seasons.

Lol what? We couldve won seven titles. That sounds much better than six. You see the outcome of that decisiion. Me wanting my team to win as many tiitles as possible iiis not "bithcing".

 

[Diddy1122]

Youre arguing this wrong. As a fan in no way shape or form does it help our cause to have an owner that blantantly makes it known HE DOESNT GIVE A DAMN ABOUT THE BULLS PAST MAKING MONEY. HES EXPRESSED THIS PUBLICLY TWICE. This iis why players dont want to come here. Faactor in his ppenny pinching and it pretty obvious. Jerry Reinsdorf Is the Bulls worst enemy.

Your entire argument is a contradiction. You claim Reinsdorf is cheap, then we give examples of him spedning LOTS of $$ (MJ's final years, Rose, Deng, Boozer, & Noah's contracts; let's also not forget making Phil Jackson the highest paid coach at the time) & the response we get is "Oh that was market value so it doesn't count".

Reinsdorf made those comments NEARLY 10 YEARS AGO!! YOU are the one who said:

"i fail to see how what going on now has any bearing on what happened 15 years ago"

Despite this, the crux of your argument is based off a comment made almost 10yrs ago.

Ive neer hear or saw a Knick fan call for James Dolans head. They wanted Thomas fiired. Which he did.

VBEKWBKEBWKHKREBWKRBWEBWEW!@#!!*( Sorry I just spit Coke all over my computer. Do Michael Vick & Tiger Woods lead choruses of "Kumbaya" in this fantasy world you are living in?
:rolling:

As far as this silly vote. Makes no difference. At one time, people thought the world was flat, our solar sytem evolved around thhe earth. And if youre religious, the masses killed jesus. I know im right. Jerry Reinsdorf is killing the Bulls.

Wow another grandiose & fallacious response. You sure you don't moonlite as a writer for Fox News?

 

[97Bulls]

Your entire argument is a contradiction. You claim Reinsdorf is cheap, then we give examples of him spedning LOTS of $$ (MJ's final years, Rose, Deng, Boozer, & Noah's contracts; let's also not forget making Phil Jackson the highest paid coach at the time) & the response we get is "Oh that was market value so it doesn't count".

Reinsdorf made those comments NEARLY 10 YEARS AGO!! YOU are the one who said:


Despite this, the crux of your argument is based off a comment made almost 10yrs ago.




VBEKWBKEBWKHKREBWKRBWEBWEW!@#!!*( Sorry I just spit Coke all over my computer. Do Michael Vick & Tiger Woods lead choruses of "Kumbaya" in this fantasy world you are living in?
:rolling:



Wow another grandiose & fallacious response. You sure you don't moonlite as a writer for Fox News?

When I say hes cheap. It because hes not commited to putting a wiinner on the court. I say that because every time the Bulls have assembled some form of talent, after their rookie contract expires, they gone wiithin the year. Are there exceptions? Yes. But getting rid of players seems to be the norm. He hasnt gone over the luxury tax once. And im betting the Bulls will be under the luxery threshold before he has to pay it.

The comment about the rings isnt his only one. Him saying baseball is a religion basketball is just a sport was recent. Besides. Even if the rings comment was the only one, he only needs to say it once. Lump those quotes iin with the low payrol, and allowing Krause To break up the bulls solidifies my point.





As far as Dolan. If Knick fans were mad at him its because they feel he didnt fire thomas fast enough. Not because hes not commited to winning. Him routinely having one of the highest payrolld in the league is evidence of his commitment. As a GM. Hed be the perfect owner. A limitless budget, and stays out of the way.

 

[97Bulls]

Wow another grandiose & fallacious response

I stated that to show that just because the masses agree on something, doeesnt make it right. You sound like a liberal. How many social issues in our sociiety have been changed due to the plight of a few?

 

[Crystallas]

I stated that to show that just because the masses agree on something, doeesnt make it right. You sound like a liberal. How many social issues in our sociiety have been changed due to the plight of a few?

Ohhh come on now.... ad hominem, really? Anyways, I don't intervene much, but if this gets political, I'm closing the thread. Just take politics to the religion and politics forum(if you agree with the disclaimer).