PIPPEN Vs. RODMAN Who was the BEST defender in Bulls History?

[houheffna]

LoL, thanks for displaying the negatives like always with throwing in your annual "they are great players too " line to sugar coat it...... Good work Mr.CCS security..

Annual? Once a year? I say that once a year? You don't know what annual mean...just sad...

My point was if Rodman is a legend, saying that he wasn't very good defensively over the last couple of years doesn't deviate from his greatness. People like you ROUTINELY (look that word up) spit out career accomplishments when someone criticizes a player...as if pointing out a player's flaws at a certain point in his career is synonymous with understating a player's career. I don't get it...

 

[97Bulls]

Number 1 he never really "Defended" Shaq, they played 'hack a shaq', no one and I mean NO ONE could defend shaq in his prime. Ben Wallace was one of the best man defenders ever, and he could guard the 1-5 dependent on who the teams best players were early in his career. Honestly and better than Russell? ARE YOU SERIOUS?? THe dude the best defender EVER......he was worth 133.6 Def. WS? Okay I really can't believe that you can be serious about this......

Let me ask you.... who did ben wallace defend that was so great? And ben wallace could not defend anything out on the perimeter. Wallace played in an era that had by far the worse centers ever. His dominance is really overrated. And yes rodman did defend shaq. And he did a great job.

Russsell was ahead of his time. I can't really argue him cuz I never saw him play other than in unimpressive highlights.

 

[Glide2keva]

Let me ask you.... who did ben wallace defend that was so great? And ben wallace could not defend anything out on the perimeter. Wallace played in an era that had by far the worse centers ever. His dominance is really overrated. And yes rodman did defend shaq. And he did a great job.

Russsell was ahead of his time. I can't really argue him cuz I never saw him play other than in unimpressive highlights.

How dare you say that?

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Let me ask you.... who did ben wallace defend that was so great? And ben wallace could not defend anything out on the perimeter. Wallace played in an era that had by far the worse centers ever. His dominance is really overrated. And yes rodman did defend shaq. And he did a great job.

Russsell was ahead of his time. I can't really argue him cuz I never saw him play other than in unimpressive highlights.

Ben Wallace defended Shaq better than Rodman ever could. So did lots of other players.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

Annual? Once a year? I say that once a year? You don't know what annual mean...just sad...

My point was if Rodman is a legend, saying that he wasn't very good defensively over the last couple of years doesn't deviate from his greatness. People like you ROUTINELY (look that word up) spit out career accomplishments when someone criticizes a player...as if pointing out a player's flaws at a certain point in his career is synonymous with understating a player's career. I don't get it...

Thank you for correcting the "annual" parrt of my post.....Plus I meant Daily ritual....

Now of course I understand players flaws...Every player in history has some sort of flaw in there games....Duuuuuuuhhhhhh......But that seems to be all you notice about anything....Its quite disturbing......Tell me somthin good.......Satan....

Purhaps you should open a new thread and title it ,"Mr. Negativities things you don't like thread".......It seems to be right up your alley.....LMAO...
I don't get mad, I get Glad...

 

[CubbyBear2290]

Let me ask you.... who did ben wallace defend that was so great? And ben wallace could not defend anything out on the perimeter. Wallace played in an era that had by far the worse centers ever. His dominance is really overrated. And yes rodman did defend shaq. And he did a great job.

Russsell was ahead of his time. I can't really argue him cuz I never saw him play other than in unimpressive highlights.

You are saying this about rodman based on what? The fact that you are a bulls fan? watching recorded games and highlights, and rerun on ESPN Classic? Rodman attempted to "Defend" Shaq.

In reality, it was the "hack a shaq" whether you wanna admit it or not. Wallace also had to guard a Yao Ming, and Timmy D, and any 3-5 that was the best on the court during his prime.

Again don't get me wrong, Rodman is a top-15 to bottom top 10 defender of all-time, but you are so far gone in homerism right now of how good he was defensively in comparison to other greats, it's nauseating.

 

[CubbyBear2290]

Excuse me sir, I mean no disrespect, but Debating is the main purpose of sports forums or talking sports in general...

And I don't think Ben Wallace was a better defender than Rodman was in his prime..Just my humble opinion coming from a humble guy...

4 DPOY > 2 DPOY
4x All-Star>2x All-Star
5x NBA All-Teamer (3x 2nd team, 2x 3rd team)> 2x NBA All-Teamer (2x 3rd Team)

I'm just saying lol

Also last little # i like is:
Ben Wallace lifetime DRTG:96>Rodman's 100 DRTG to go along w/

Rodman's Impressive Def. Win Shares # of 54.5 < Wallace's 69 Def. Win Shares

Meaning Wallace was better defender.

Again just saying

 

[Mr.247]

You are saying this about rodman based on what? The fact that you are a bulls fan? watching recorded games and highlights, and rerun on ESPN Classic? Rodman attempted to "Defend" Shaq.

In reality, it was the "hack a shaq" whether you wanna admit it or not. Wallace also had to guard a Yao Ming, and Timmy D, and any 3-5 that was the best on the court during his prime.

Again don't get me wrong, Rodman is a top-15 to bottom top 10 defender of all-time, but you are so far gone in homerism right now of how good he was defensively in comparison to other greats, it's nauseating.

WHAT???????????????

ATTEMPTED to defend Shaq???
Just like Rodman "Attempted" to Defend Alonzo Morning and Carl Malone???

Are you Cereal?

Wallace is NOT Rodman. Wallace Plateaued earlier in his career than Rodman who was able to defend more positions than Wallace.

Come on now. First you say he wasn't that good of a defender, now you're saying "well...he was but huh...he fell off after the first season with us."

LOL!

Come now...

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Ben Wallace was by far a better defensive player than Dennis Rodman. Rodman could guard any position earlier in his career but he could NEVER defend the basket like Ben Wallace could.

 

[Mr.247]

Ben Wallace was by far a better defensive player than Dennis Rodman. Rodman could guard any position earlier in his career but he could NEVER defend the basket like Ben Wallace could.

Ben Wallace was NOT a better defender than Rodman!

Rodman defended the BEST of The BEST at multiple positions far Better than Wallace could at 1 or 2.

Rodman was the Better Defender and overall better Player and his multiple Championship rings on his Multiple teams PROVES IT!

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Ben Wallace was NOT a better defender than Rodman!

Rodman defended the BEST of The BEST at multiple positions far Better than Wallace could at 1 or 2.

Rodman was the Better Defender and overall better Player and his multiple Championship rings on his Multiple teams PROVES IT!

I guess by that logic, Robert Horry was a better defender than Dennis Rodman because he was on three different championship teams. That is absolutely terrible logic on your part. Take away hand-checking and Dennis Rodman loses a LOT of his luster as a defensive player. Ben Wallace didn't even have that advantage. And he played in an era with a defensive three second violation to top that off.

Ben Wallace>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dennis Rodman as a defensive player.

You are living in a dream world if you believe otherwise.

The fact that you think Dennis Rodman is in the top 2 of the best defenders in Bulls' history proves how little you actually know.

 

[CubbyBear2290]

WHAT???????????????

ATTEMPTED to defend Shaq???
Just like Rodman "Attempted" to Defend Alonzo Morning and Carl Malone???

Are you Cereal?

Wallace is NOT Rodman. Wallace Plateaued earlier in his career than Rodman who was able to defend more positions than Wallace.

Come on now. First you say he wasn't that good of a defender, now you're saying "well...he was but huh...he fell off after the first season with us."

LOL!

Come now...

I said he wasn't the same defender here, that he was in Detroit, that is all I ever said, and I also said how Big Ben was a better defender, what part about that is so hard to comprehend.

Also it's Karl Malone. Therefore you lose credibility in your argument seeing as how you just showed up. I never said Rodman was a just okay defender, I said he wasn't all he was cracked up to be while here in Chicago as opposed to Detroit.

Also did you just put Mourning in the same class/tier as the "Mailman" dude, I think you need some statistical help. Go to basketball reference and compare the Mailman to Mourning and they are not even comparable in terms of who was harder to guard.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Yeah, because we all know that Ben Wallace is in the top 2 of the best defenders in Bulls' history. I also have Robert Parish as the all-time Bulls center.

Are you serious?

I'm not talking about Ben Wallace when I'm talking about the best defensive players in Bulls' history.

More like Pippen, Jordan, Van Lier, and Sloan.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

Pippen was the better defender than both Rodman and Wallace..
How do you like dem apples?
Sour, arnt they?
:crazydance:

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[RamiTheBullsFan]

Pippen was the better defender than both Rodman and Wallace..
How do you like dem apples?
Sour, arnt they?

He isn't better than Wallace in his pre-2006 Detroit days.

 

[eternityw]

He isn't better than Wallace in his pre-2006 Detroit days.

Why Pippen is not better?
Wallace defended rim only and paint.
Pippen could defend 4 or 5 positions.
Pippen was more productive then Ben on offensive end.
Ben Wallace could guard 2 positions, great defender in his Detroit days, but teammates make him better also.... before 2003 and 2004 season his defense didn't help his team to win at all

 

[scottiepippen1994]

Yes. Pippen was the better defender.
Yes he was.
Common sense.
Its a fact.
BW was overrated
BW and Pippens name should not be used in the same sentence.
BW should give back the money he stole from Jerry Reinsdorff.
Pippen was a better defender for a longer stretch of years.
Pippen defended a better generation of players.
Pippen has six rings.
Pippen was a text book defender, the prototype.
Pippen blocked Shaq and looked like a midget.
Pippen block Justin Bieber and Bieber was a midget.
Thank you very much.

Pippen was the best defender in the history of the game of basketball.
Johnny Bach was Dr.Frankenstien and Pippen was his monster.

 

[nwfisch]

Robert Horry has 7 titles, so that means he's better than the God Scottie Pippen.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

Robert Horry has 7 titles, so that means he's better than the God Scottie Pippen.

BLASPHEMY OF THE HOLY SPIRIT!!!
LORD FORGIVE THIS MAN FOR HE KNOWS NOT WHAT HE DOES.
ray:ray:ray:ray:ray:ray:ray:ray:

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Yes. Pippen was the better defender. Yes he was. Common sense.

False.

Its a fact.

Actually, that's an opinion.

BW was overrated

Okay? Also an opinion.

BW and Pippens name should not be used in the same sentence.

Okay? We're not talking about who was the better player here.

BW should give back the money he stole from Jerry Reinsdorff.

Irrelevant. Pre-2006 Ben is whom this discussion is about.

Pippen was a better defender for a longer stretch of years.

That is debatable, but it is quite clear who was better in their prime: Wallace.

Pippen defended a better generation of players.

That is debatable, too.

Pippen has six rings.

Robert Horry has 7. Horry>Pippen?

Pippen was a text book defender, the prototype.

Ben Wallace is the prototypical defensive center.

Pippen blocked Shaq and looked like a midget.

Ben Wallace is 2'' (at maximum) taller than Pippen and stuffed Shaq silly. Pippen could never dream of guarding Shaq.

Pippen was the best defender in the history of the game of basketball.
Johnny Bach was Dr.Frankenstien and Pippen was his monster.

Pippen was the God of defense. Oh yeah. Thank you for informing me.