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The Bulls quit last game. Rose only had 4 shot attempts in the 2nd half. Let's be honest, he could destroy dellevedova anytime he wants to. Really can't single him out because he played well for the most part. The team quit on Thibbs in game 6. Also would just like to remind people that Rose was just coming off a surgery and missed, what, wasn't it like 2 months?
 

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So everytime a Bulls player gets hurt, Thibs gets a mulligan?
 

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The Bulls quit last game. Rose only had 4 shot attempts in the 2nd half. Let's be honest, he could destroy dellevedova anytime he wants to. Really can't single him out because he played well for the most part. The team quit on Thibbs in game 6. Also would just like to remind people that Rose was just coming off a surgery and missed, what, wasn't it like 2 months?

You're going too far with being a Rose apologist. Yes, he played well for the most part. You should just leave it at that.

Btw, the Bulls were done in by 3 pt shooting. The Cavs shot well, the Bulls were awful. The Bulls should have better 3 pt shooters with Love out. But the Cavs had guys over perform while the Bulls had everyone underperform. And this is also sensitive to timeliness. The Cavs had more timely 3 pt shooting also. The game where Dunleavy/Mirotic went 2/16 cost the Bulls the series. I'm not sure how much of thats on Thibs. I'm also not saying Thibs has no hand in it.

But watch Dunleavy fly under radar even though he contributed greatly in the loss. But I can't wait until next year when the front office adds another version of Dunleavy or Hinrich.
 

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Btw, what's Tim Floyd doing these days?...ya know, because this historic fixation with Iowa State coaches has worked SO well.

Or is it that the FO is looking for someone without a spine so they can push them around? What does this say about Hoiberg?

I'd go with Alvin Gentry.
 

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Critical thinking was required in my question.
 

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Btw, what's Tim Floyd doing these days?...ya know, because this historic fixation with Iowa State coaches has worked SO well.

Or is it that the FO is looking for someone without a spine so they can push them around? What does this say about Hoiberg?

I'd go with Alvin Gentry.

so they coached at the same college...so what?...ppl need to stop putting Tim Floyd (who was set up to fail anyway) on Freddy because they both coached at Iowa State

i think they are looking for a coach to be on the same page going forward and it looks like they are headed to a more shooting/scoring team with the Snell, Nikola, McDermott picks...so Hoiberg makes a ton a of sense

why no to Hoiberg but yes to Gentry? Gentry is a great assistant but has been mediocre as a head coach
 

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so they coached at the same college...so what?...ppl need to stop putting Tim Floyd (who was set up to fail anyway) on Freddy because they both coached at Iowa State

i think they are looking for a coach to be on the same page going forward and it looks like they are headed to a more shooting/scoring team with the Snell, Nikola, McDermott picks...so Hoiberg makes a ton a of sense

why no to Hoiberg but yes to Gentry? Gentry is great assistant but has been mediocre as a head coach

No offense but your reading comprehension is really poor.

First of all, I wasn't putting anything on "Freddy." I was putting it on mgt ("hence historic fixation").

Secondly, I didn't ask what you were thinking. No need for the contortionist rationalization. No need to be an apologist for management.

I'm really not into unscrambling your half baked erroneous classifications. This would include your characterization of Gentry. He actually acquitted himself well in Memphis and it's probably not a coincidence he's with Kerr in GS. Meanwhile, your remark is glaringly ignorant of the fact that Hoiberg is a college coach while Gentry is not.

But carry on.

Edit--btw, I just realized I commingled hollins and gentry. Sorry. I'd still take either over Hoiberg.
 

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If Alvin Gentry was Thibs offensive assistant, he probably wouldn't be in this position...

I don't think Hoiberg is coming. Alvin Gentry is starting to sound like the guy.

Working under Steve Kerr might help Gentry. Just because he wasn't great in his first couple tenures, doesn't mean he isn't a great coach. He never really acquired a lot of talent when he coached the Pistons and Clippers. He got a couple good years with Steve Nash until he got over the hill and he made the conference finals with them. With Gentry, at least you know offense won't be a problem. he learned from D'Antoni but that doesn't mean he runs the same style. He said and I quote "We are not seven seconds or less. We’re 12 seconds or under. We don’t take a lot of really quick shots. We don’t play with that breakneck pace. We play with a rhythm." He is almost a lot more in tuned defensively than D'Antoni was. Greg Popovich backed that up as well. Since his time at Phoenix, he has worked with Doc Rivers and Steve Kerr.

Trade Thibs to New Orleans for a 1st and sign Gentry.
 

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No offense but your reading comprehension is really poor.

First of all, I wasn't putting anything on "Freddy." I was putting it on mgt ("hence historic fixation").

Secondly, I didn't ask what you were thinking. No need for the contortionist rationalization. No need to be an apologist for management.

I'm really not into unscrambling your half baked erroneous classifications. This would include your characterization of Gentry. He actually acquitted himself well in Memphis and it's probably not a coincidence he's with Kerr in GS. Meanwhile, your remark is glaringly ignorant of the fact that Hoiberg is a college coach while Gentry is not.

But carry on.

Edit--btw, I just realized I commingled hollins and gentry. Sorry. I'd still take either over Hoiberg.

Floyd was hired under a different regime...so you can't put it on management...its just a coincidence is all....noone is obsessed with Iowa State coaches...and just because Floyd sucked doesn't mean Fred will

you were asking if they only wanted Hoiberg because he was spineless and they could control him...i gave a reason as to why they like and want him

im glad you caught yourself and realized you made a mistake...Gentry is a great assistant but yeah he was mediocre as a head coach...i think im gonna take the shot on potential instead

Gentry would be fine if we fail on getting the potential-based coaches to come
 

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The Bulls, Fred Hoiberg, Tom Thibodeau and Rumor Vs. Reality
Injured, banged up, with rumors of an impending firing of Tom Thibodeau whenever the season was to be over, the Chicago Bulls are no longer in the NBA playoffs.

Sad face, right? Well, maybe not if you are management, which has reportedly been wanting to fire Thibodeau when the season was over. That time is now for the Bulls, and without a deep playoff run which would have enabled Thibs to be beyond reproach, Chicago can now move on if that is what it truly wants to do.

Tom Thibodeau will be fine, regardless. If Chicago does indeed pull the plug on the relationship, it won’t be too long until an organization (New Orleans) calls him for a gig. For all his limitations — chiefly the ways in which he manages his players’ minutes — he manages to transcend them. He can succeed in a new place, where his talents have yet to be worn thin by his supposedly gruff nature.

What will be next for the Bulls, though? More reports — or “rumors” — have Chicago eyeing the Mayor of Ames, Fred Hoiberg. To be clear, in the interest of full disclosure: I think Fred Hoiberg is all that like Rachael Leigh Cook. I also, selfishly, hope he stays in college to continue his “Five More Athletic Freds” (FMAF — say it with me) system with Iowa State.

The Fred Hoiberg is wanted by an NBA team banter is nothing new. He has been mentioned for nearly every open gig over the last two seasons — for good reason, too. He has NBA connections, been a tremendously successful college coach, and there are even reports that his “dream” is to coach in the NBA.

That’s sad news for people like me, who prefer him to apply his craft at the college level because there simply aren’t enough guys in that part of the basketball realm who allow their players to play, and do not micromanage games to the point of nausea. (I digress.)

As much as I am a fan of Hoiberg, though, there is a reason to think Chicago is not the best fit for him.

While one of his best attributes as a coach is letting his players dictate the system by relying upon their talents, most associate Hoiberg’s brand of basketball with an up-tempo, free-wheeling, “jack’em up if you’re open” style of play. Those qualities are not exactly synonymous with the Chicago Bulls or their players.

He could certainly adapt his system to fit that roster, but what roster — exactly — would he adapt it to? Jimmy Butler is rumored to be in line for a max deal; Joakim Noah is a terrific player, but one that spent much of the year playing through injuries; Derrick Rose has zero knees; and there aren’t a ton of guys on that roster, even if everyone comes back, which fit that up-tempo, three-point-heavy style of play.

Again, Hoiberg can change his system to fit the roster’s talents. In fact, it is a safe assumption that not only can he do so, but put in a better offensive structure than the one the defensive-minded Thibodeau had in place.

Even if we were to put aside a theory that Hoiberg might stay in college forever because he likes it, let’s pretend it is inevitable: Fred Hoiberg is going to one day coach an NBA team.

Why would he choose the Chicago Bulls?

There’s talent on the roster, for sure. At the same time, though, it is aging, hurt roster with the type of talent which has clocked many minutes on aging, hurt legs, all thanks to the coach the Bulls will supposedly fire at some point in the relatively near future.

Is this the best job Hoiberg can or will be offered? Coaches with less experience, success, or any other tangible attributes, have certainly been gifted better jobs.

Maybe Hoiberg would prefer to look for a job that has a roster he has fewer worries about — perhaps not one with as much talent, but certainly a younger one that he can mold, with a front office that will put his “type” of players on it, and a group which isn’t mentally scarred from the year-after-year reality of having its star player(s) injured, while others play hurt. Hoiberg should relish freedom from the hyperbole, narratives, and general hogwash that come with having Derrick Rose on a roster — which should be noted: It is not Rose’s fault.

It doesn’t really matter, though — not right now, at least. Rumors are going to be buzzing in and around Chicago until Thibs is fired, and when his replacement is hired. However, those are all indeed rumors — much like like Area 51 being a secret alien laboratory place, Atlantis being at the bottom of the Susquehanna River, and there being a fully functioning set of neurons and synapses inside my cranium. All pure speculation.

For the NBA, specifically its offseason, rumors drive the discussion. It is fun, probably even important, for fans to do such things to keep their hopes, dreams, and fantasies alive. For Bulls fans, maybe the idea of Fred Hoiberg coming to Chicago to implement a system similar to the one he has in college does that for them. It is their offseason medical marijuana, their drug which keeps their hopes high, while attempting to get over the 2014-’15 season.

However, Chicago, don’t get so excited that you end up being yet another NBA fan base disappointed that Hoiberg didn’t answer your organization’s beckoning call.
 

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i agree with that article...its not the perfect roster for him (our younger talent fits with him though)

however in the next 2 years its gonna be a major overhaul...so basically he'll just have to do the best he can with the current roster until we can get out from under some of these contracts and get pieces that fit better for him

as far as holding out for a better job....he kinda rebuffed the opportunity to coach the perfect roster for him last year when he gave the Warriors the cold shoulder

Chicago has its plus' for him...its close to Iowa so he wouldn't be to far away from his family and he also has good connections with Gar and Paxson...he also played here if that means anything to him
 

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I'm not trading Thibs for anything less than a top 10 lottery pick. So that rules out New Orleans.
 

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I'm not trading Thibs for anything less than a top 10 lottery pick. So that rules out New Orleans.

You ain't getting shit for him then...Franchises don't fork out lottery picks for coaches.
 

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I think that Thibs is a great coach but sometimes teams tune out their coaches, especially when things do not go as planned. So, if they fire him, I am okay with it, bottom line. He'll land on his feet in another NBA job in a second. But the bigger, BIGGER issue, to me, is the lack of a basketball guy in charge who puts a complete well balanced team together. TO me, they have not had that EVER under Paxson and that is the great issue facing the Bulls.

Ever since, they lucked out and got Rose, Paxson has never put a solid SF and SG combination to go along with him. This season was a joke of a 6 person rotation in the backcourt and SF. One good perimeter defender among six. A guy(Hinrich) who should have never been allowed to see the court let alone play on it getting big minutes in the semi-finals? Brooks? Snell? Dunleavy? Come-on. THis is on Paxson.

Now I don't know what the hell Gar does, but why is it that everytime you see Pax, you see Gar? ARe they butt buddies or something? WHo makes the damn decisions for this team? They should fire Paxon and Gar for that matter if it takes two of these characters to put a balanced team on the court.
 

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I think that Thibs is a great coach but sometimes teams tune out their coaches, especially when things do not go as planned. So, if they fire him, I am okay with it, bottom line. He'll land on his feet in another NBA job in a second. But the bigger, BIGGER issue, to me, is the lack of a basketball guy in charge who puts a complete well balanced team together. TO me, they have not had that EVER under Paxson and that is the great issue facing the Bulls.

Ever since, they lucked out and got Rose, Paxson has never put a solid SF and SG combination to go along with him. This season was a joke of a 6 person rotation in the backcourt and SF. One good perimeter defender among six. A guy(Hinrich) who should have never been allowed to see the court let alone play on it getting big minutes in the semi-finals? Brooks? Snell? Dunleavy? Come-on. THis is on Paxson.

Now I don't know what the hell Gar does, but why is it that everytime you see Pax, you see Gar? ARe they butt buddies or something? WHo makes the damn decisions for this team? They should fire Paxon and Gar for that matter if it takes two of these characters to put a balanced team on the court.


something about too many cooks in the kitchen
 

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The one thing about Rose, though, is he was MUGGED by the Cavs guards and the refs ignored all of the fouls laid on him. THose games were dictated by the zebras who let the Cavs get away with a lot of shit, in fact outright dirty play. Should the Bulls, including Rose have responded better, hell yeah. To me, only Butler played like a champ. But that series was fixed by the referees.
 

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