Turning him into a bitter pussy who didn't even get off his ass and actually face Kylo Ren in-person?
I mean, him not being in there in person was the whole point, since it distracted Kylo and the First Order, allowing time for the resistance to escape. He played Kylo like a fiddle. His force projection even changed clothes to what he had in the temple, I think.
I mean, was he supposed to take on Kylo and the First Order himself? He's a damn good jedi, sure. But then you realize that if you try to make an argument like that, it works the same for Obi-Wan in the original trilogy. He knows he's not going to be slicing and dicing his way through the first order, just as Obi-Wan knew that with the empire. He ended up helping Luke through the Force after his death, which ultimately helped lead to the fall of the empire. I think we're going to see Luke communicate similarly in 9.
And on top of that they didn't expound on the incident that turned him into a bitter old Jedi hermit well enough.
Well, Kylo turned on him(and likely some others, i.e. Knights of Ren), burning the temple and killing a number of jedi. That's a pretty dark and traumatic event, and it stems back to Luke's mistake. Luke is definitely a bit bitter, but some of it is understandable. Don't think I would want to be doing any more jedi training/teaching after that,either.
We do have another movie in the trilogy, I imagine there might be some more discussed regarding this incident, the first order, knights of ren(where the **** are they?),etc.
They gave us like 5-10 mins of total exposition on that point.... Luke sensed some generic darkness in Kylo.... he went to confront him.... it went badly... the Jedi Temple was vaguely destroyed and a bunch of other Jedi trainees we never saw either died or turned dark.
Yea, and Luke was worried about Kylo's power as well.
I don't disagree there could have been a little more detail here. Hopefully episode 9 will expand a little here.
So a character built over 3 movies was turned into something unrecognizable and IMO they gave us the gist of why and then said "Yeah just take our word for it"
Well, I don't think Luke was exactly going to be the same as he was when he was still basically a kid in the original trilogy, especially after that screw up that cost him the jedi,temple,etc.
Why were there no Luke/Kylo flashbacks thru Force Awakens and then Last Jedi that shows you the kind of relationship Luke had with Kylo and thus making sure you understand why that incident was so bad.... why Kylo turned to dramatically.... why it affected Luke so deeply that he turned bitter and hid away.
Again, the event itself was pretty traumatic. Also, I think part of the idea with TFA was that we weren't exactly sure what was going on with Luke. I suppose there could have been some flashbacks in TFA, maybe. And, again, this is movie 2 of a trilogy. There's still room to expound.
Nah just take it on faith.... we need to spend time showing you Fin and Rose on some useless subplot.
Except the uselessness of their plot was the entire point. It shows that risk taking has its consequences. And it also provides important character development for Finn. I think there are some things that could be improved in that aspect, for sure, though.
The path they put Luke on was meant to mimic both Yoda and Obi-Wan and his death was meant to mimic both of their deaths... it was brutally obvious.
You mean turning into the force? Well,yea, that was similar to Obi-wan and Yoda. There's obviously some reference/mimicry there, but also experienced jedi or jedi masters now know how to be one with the force in the afterlife(thanks to Qui Gonn). It's not just about mimicry, it's also an important skill/power the jedi developed, and Luke likely learned from Obi-Wan and/or Yoda how to do that.
Generally speaking, he seemed to be pretty expunged anyway. Force projecting onto a different planet seems like it took a lot out of him.
The circumstances of his death/turn-to-the-force wasn't the same as Obi-Wan or Yoda, really.
If it had to go that way I would have preferred to see Luke actually show up and go down fighting.... or do the cheesy thing Obi-Wan did with Vader where he let him do it.... anything would have been better than Luke being a pussy who wouldn't leave his island and actually fight.
Well, I don't think Luke had a way to get off the planet, did he? Or maybe I'm wrong? I'm sure, in the event you're discussing, they could have written that differently.
I think Luke fighting Kylo straight up isn't nearly as interesting or clever or meaningful as Luke force-project-trolling Kylo. Luke used Kylo's emotions against him and fooled him into thinking he was actually there. I thought it was a nice twist. It was about using the force more than using his lightsaber, which is a pretty important tenet of what the jedi are supposed to be. Their lightsaber is honestly more of a secondary tool.
A repeat of Obi-wan Vader would have sucked, and been an obvious rehash(which there already is arguably too much of)
