Right now, Foles isn't producing any better (an arguably worse) than Trubs..

[remydat]

Every team he was on he couldnt win or maintain the starter job. Couldnt beat out aging Mike Vick first 2 years. Only played due to injury. 2014 he starts plays pedestrian level, gets hurt and placed on IR. He is then traded to the Rams. Had he been a bona fide starter, he never gets traded. Plays so poorly is benched for Case Keenum lol. He is released after 1 yr. Signs with Kansas City. Cant beat out Alex smith. Goes back to philly. Never beats out Wentz but does go on the Super Bowl run. Relegated back to backup after Wentz is back. Signs with the Jags. After he comes back from injury plays 4 games and is benched for Minshew.
He has had 8 years of oppurtunites and has never been able to hold a starting job.

The alternative was never 3M. All those QBs you mentioned are better than 3M so that explains why he couldn't beat them out.

I mean he got beat out by a 6th round rookie in MInshew but took 3M's job in less than 4 games. So how bad a QB does 3M have to be in order for him to do that?

 

[remydat]

I would like to enter this into evidence. Yes that is a wide open Anthony Miller in the end zone. No he did not get the ball. Foles apparently had pre-determined the ball was going to JG.

Probably tired of Miller dropping passes.

 

[Khodai]

Eye test says the Bears are marginally better with Foles as QB. To be fair to Foles, we've played better teams with him as the starter.

The constant is that Nagy is garbage. Ugh. I'd love to see him lose playcalling abilities. We pulled the plug on Trubisky. How long until we do the same for Nagy? This offense is still terrible. This whole idea that Trubisky was holding back Nagy's genius is clearly wrong.

This i totally agree with. At best, marginally better, but debatable.

 

[Khodai]

Trubisky will never touch a 27 TD and 2 Int season. Foles is better. Get over it and realize Trubisky is a bust who will never accomplish what Foles has

He already has just about as much wins as foles has in 8yrs. Foles averages 8 td or less a year..

 

[Khodai]

A Pro Bowl compared to a Super Bowl MVP? Ok

Mvp in super bowl means you played excellent..for ONE game.

 

[WindyCity]

Mvp in super bowl means you played excellent..for ONE game.

It is an important one.

 

[CHIBEAR]

The point is he was never good enough to be a starter or keep the job . Philly never trades him if he is that good. In 8 yrs he has like what,28 wins? Shitty mitch has 26 or so in 3 .. Foles is garbage. Which is why everyone moves on from him. Hes a good streaky backup. Nothing more nothing else.

The point is hes better than Mitch and its not even debatable . You think the team oh Foles is marginally better than Mitch LOL . If Foles gets injured they know we are screwed because they know Mitch aint he guy and is nowhere close to being that guy .

You claimed he was basically offered a chance to compete for a starting job every place he went and I clearly showed you that that was not the case . The two times outside of Philly he was offered starting jobs he was on universally considered to be ass teams even before he got there . Fishers rams and the Jags

Reid didnt let him compete with Vick as a rookie
Year two he makes the playoffs and pro bowl 27 tds and 2 picks
year three he gets hurt with his team 6-2
year on the crap rams
year 5 agreed to be a backup for the coach that drafted him in KC and won his only start
year 6 went back to the Eagles and won a SB after franchise qb is hurt
year 7 took over again for hurt franchise qb and leads them to a playoff win over us
year 8 joins the crap Jags after his QB coach from the previous two seasons gets the nod as OC there
year 9 both Foles and the QB coach /OC are now on the bears after one which tells you it was more about an entire philosophy change than it simply being Foles

Its that simple

In 8 years he has a SB and several playoff wins .

Since Mitch has been here how many good teams has he beaten ? The 2018 Seahawks and thats only because prince had a pick 6 and the Vikings . Those are the only teams with 10 wins or more he has beaten since hes been here .

You are basically touting someone who is barely a blip on the nfl radar and has accomplished nothing . of 28 and under qbs hes had the most opportunity and has done the least with it

 

[94c4lt1]

The point is hes better than Mitch and its not even debatable .

I mean, that fact that this thread is two pages long essentially proves that it is debatable. ?

 

[xer0h0ur]

The point is hes better than Mitch and its not even debatable.

Thank you for saving me the time from having to read all of that nonsense. Your first sentence was enough to realize you're delusional.

Fact is Foles isn't playing better than Trubisky. All of the numbers back that up. I even freeze framed one of the mistakes Foles made for god's sake. Foles has much more experience diagnosing defenses and making adjustments at the line of scrimmage. Its the only thing he's so far proven to have over Trubisky. Nothing else. His deep shots suck. He is completing passes for lower yardage than Trubisky. Isn't scoring any more than the offense was with Trubisky and with this offensive line he isn't athletic enough to make plays on the move like Trubisky can. Also, no defense is wasting a defender spying Nick Foles. He isn't going anywhere. Trubisky commands a spy in the middle of the field staying home.

So no. It is clearly debatable. At best.

 

[Spitta Andretti]

Thank you for saving me the time from having to read all of that nonsense. Your first sentence was enough to realize you're delusional.

Fact is Foles isn't playing better than Trubisky. All of the numbers back that up. I even freeze framed one of the mistakes Foles made for god's sake. Foles has much more experience diagnosing defenses and making adjustments at the line of scrimmage. Its the only thing he's so far proven to have over Trubisky. Nothing else. His deep shots suck. He is completing passes for lower yardage than Trubisky. Isn't scoring any more than the offense was with Trubisky and with this offensive line he isn't athletic enough to make plays on the move like Trubisky can. Also, no defense is wasting a defender spying Nick Foles. He isn't going anywhere. Trubisky commands a spy in the middle of the field staying home.

So no. It is clearly debatable. At best.

Numbers against the Lions and Giants. He didn't even play that good against the Giants either. His play against the Lions boosted his stats.

The Bucs and Colts defenses > The Giants and Lions and it isn't even close

 

[xer0h0ur]

Numbers against the Lions and Giants. He didn't even play that good against the Giants either. His play against the Lions boosted his stats.

The Bucs and Colts defenses > The Giants and Lions and it isn't even close

I don't care. He literally said its not debatable and that is patently false. I don't give a shit if he wants Nick Foles on the field over Trubisky. Personal opinion doesn't cross over into the realm of facts.

 

[Spitta Andretti]

I don't care. He literally said its not debatable and that is patently false. I don't give a shit if he wants Nick Foles on the field over Trubisky. Personal opinion doesn't cross over into the realm of facts.

Mitch had one good game and that was the Lions game. He sucked against the Giants and sucked for 2 1/2 qtrs against the Falcons.

I prefer the Foles led offense over the Trubisky led one. And I'm sure plenty of people share that same thought.

TB and Indy have both made QBs struggle this season so ill give Foles the benefit of the doubt on that until a few weaker defensive teams play against the Bears

 

[WindyCity]

What pile of shit tastes best. This is where we are at.

They both suck. The real question is can we get someone better before the defense dies?

 

[Khodai]

Numbers against the Lions and Giants. He didn't even play that good against the Giants either. His play against the Lions boosted his stats.

The Bucs and Colts defenses > The Giants and Lions and it isn't even close

Foles is getting a pass for putting up 3 points to the Colts. Why? This is the same defence that gave up 27 points to the jags, 32 points to the browns, and 27 to the bengals. This good defence argument is bs.

 

[Khodai]

remember the deep bomb to miller trubisky misses. He gets crucified. Foles does exact same thing the next game, if not worse. Nobody criticises. Why? The truth is neither should be crusified. Its a miss, it happens. Trubisky was just micro analyzed which is not fair.

 

[Leomaz]

What pile of shit tastes best. This is where we are at.

They both suck. The real question is can we get someone better before the defense dies?

I agree with you 100%......thank you

 

[JesusHalasChrist]

remember the deep bomb to miller trubisky misses. He gets crucified. Foles does exact same thing the next game, if not worse. Nobody criticises. Why? The truth is neither should be crusified. Its a miss, it happens. Trubisky was just micro analyzed which is not fair.

How long of an extension should the Bears give Mitch so that we can get to the point where it is fair to analyze his play? Would 5 years do it? 10?

 

[Khodai]

How long of an extension should the Bears give Mitch so that we can get to the point where it is fair to analyze his play? Would 5 years do it? 10?

His first yr with fox shouldnt count really. He shouldnt have been forced to even start. Yr 1 with Nagy he was ok..year 2 was down year.

To me what would have been fair is you let him play out the season. If he is terrible, you cut ties. If he is vanilla, you offer one yr prove it deal. If hes lights out you extend him further.

 

[truthbedamned]

Mentioned this yesterday and his passer rating is lower as well but I don't see going back unless we have to. Team is still better with Foles running the O right now and the players on O aren't yet intuitive to each other's tendencies. The chemistry between Foles an AR seems meh right now and in a few weeks Foles may hit that bomb to Mooney that he missed last week.

That said, It's easy to see how mitch won the competition against D he knows because Mitch has a higher skill set. Unfortunately, he lacks a football brane so lets hope Foles rubs off a bit.

You call that a miss? More like threw it over to the next county. That was one of the worst passes I have ever seen. Yes....even from Trubisky

 

[xer0h0ur]

Mitch had one good game and that was the Lions game. He sucked against the Giants and sucked for 2 1/2 qtrs against the Falcons.

I prefer the Foles led offense over the Trubisky led one. And I'm sure plenty of people share that same thought.

TB and Indy have both made QBs struggle this season so ill give Foles the benefit of the doubt on that until a few weaker defensive teams play against the Bears

I know man. Like I said, its fine if he prefers Foles over Trubisky. However personal opinions do not invalidate facts. I'm not even saying to change quarterbacks either. I would prefer to see what Foles is going to do in the next two or three games against lower ranked defenses.