Rizzo locked up for 7 years

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good move.. 2/8 of the everyday lineup is locked in.. who next ?

only 2 that matter:

Cubs shortstop Starlin Castro, another of the team’s cornerstones, also is signed through 2019. The club also would like to sign right-hander Jeff Samardzija and possibly righty Matt Garza to extensions as well.
Rest of the team can be turned over IMO over the next 2-3 years.
 

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Not surprised they did it. Surprised they did it this early.

I thought they would have waited until the season was almost finished. They may be betting on Rizzo to put up some good numbers and wouldn't want to risk paying him more.
 

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Let's also hope he develops and matures better than the other long term deal Theo and Co did last year.

At this point that one might be looking bad in 4-5 years unless he turns around the trend from last year and the start to this year.
 

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Salami don't completely hating a move with a young player and given out by the Epstein regime = this is a nice :fap: deal

I don't hate the deal. Let's see if they actually can get him some help in the middle of the line-up. Soon.

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Originally Posted by X-Factor
Smart move, imo. As he and Castro mature, they'll be nice pieces around a power hitter.
I'll disagree with the bold

Honestly I'm starting to agree with that assessment about Castro. He gets a ton of AB's which leads to hits.

His career line .295/.333/.422 Not bad but not a protipicial OBA hitter. Not a middle of the order hitter. More of a singles hitter. 411 of his 572 hits singles. Career walks 106 over 4 seasons.

With his 30 errors per year it is hard to say he deserves to be a all star on a good team.
 

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Honestly I'm starting to agree with that assessment about Castro. He gets a ton of AB's which leads to hits.

His career line .295/.333/.422 Not bad but not a protipicial OBA hitter. Not a middle of the order hitter. More of a singles hitter. 411 of his 572 hits singles. Career walks 106 over 4 seasons.

With his 30 errors per year it is hard to say he deserves to be a all star on a good team.

The thing that is starting to wave a red flag with me and Castro, well other than he really doesn't seem to care, is that his BA has slowly been dropping and his strikeout rate is rising.

Not good for a non power hitter.

With his lack of stolen base skill, I would see him more as a 6-7 spot hitter on a quality NL team where hopefully those singles come with men on base.
 

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The thing that is starting to wave a red flag with me and Castro, well other than he really doesn't seem to care, is that his BA has slowly been dropping and his strikeout rate is rising.

Not good for a non power hitter.

With his lack of stolen base skill, I would see him more as a 6-7 spot hitter on a quality NL team where hopefully those singles come with men on base.

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I thought they would have waited until the season was almost finished. They may be betting on Rizzo to put up some good numbers and wouldn't want to risk paying him more.
Yep! When this season is over and he hits 30hr's and drives in 100rbi's he's gonna look underpaid with this new deal. Smart move on the ownership to seal a deal on their best player....
 

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The thing that is starting to wave a red flag with me and Castro, well other than he really doesn't seem to care, is that his BA has slowly been dropping and his strikeout rate is rising.

Not good for a non power hitter.

With his lack of stolen base skill, I would see him more as a 6-7 spot hitter on a quality NL team where hopefully those singles come with men on base.


Agree. Problem is with him less AB's means less hits and the fan base starts to see him as a error prone free swinger with little pop and some speed. RBI's go up due to slot in the line up. But not enough to call him an asset.

Seriously for him to be considered a core player with his skill set he has to be hitting over .300 and stealing 20 bags just to justify 30 errors per and a .330 OBA and less then .500 SLG.

But that is the problem with the way they are building this team. Build the team up the middle with solid D. C/CF/SS/2B power at the corners.

Right now the weakest D is at SS. 2B is a UI. CF is in a platoon. Catcher so far looks promising. 3B and RF platoon. LF near retirement. 1B best player. (like that they are recon him)
 

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The thing that is starting to wave a red flag with me and Castro, well other than he really doesn't seem to care, is that his BA has slowly been dropping and his strikeout rate is rising.

Not good for a non power hitter.

With his lack of stolen base skill, I would see him more as a 6-7 spot hitter on a quality NL team where hopefully those singles come with men on base.

Honestly, I believe that if he has respected protection, his numbers will rise. Right now i'm not sure why ANYONE is pitching to him or Rizzo...let the other 7 try to beat you offensively.
 

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Agree. Problem is with him less AB's means less hits and the fan base starts to see him as a error prone free swinger with little pop and some speed. RBI's go up due to slot in the line up. But not enough to call him an asset.

Seriously for him to be considered a core player with his skill set he has to be hitting over .300 and stealing 20 bags just to justify 30 errors per and a .330 OBA and less then .500 SLG.

But that is the problem with the way they are building this team. Build the team up the middle with solid D. C/CF/SS/2B power at the corners.

Right now the weakest D is at SS. 2B is a UI. CF is in a platoon. Catcher so far looks promising. 3B and RF platoon. LF near retirement. 1B best player. (like that they are recon him)

sounds about right

C- looks like it could be taken for a few years
1b locked up
2b gold glove for now
ss locked up
3rd nothing
lf old
cf nothing
rf nothing that'll be here

our core is "starting" to come together, if Barney could learn how to use a bat we'd have a solid 2b
 

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and the fan base starts to see him as a error prone free swinger with little pop and some speed.

Ummmmm.

But that is exactly what he has been the past season and a quarter.

He needs to get back to hitting .305ish with a .345ish OBP and striking out less than 100 times and he could be slotted in the #2 spot where he is now.

But a .275-.280 hitter with a .310ish OBP and striking out over 100 times needs to go towards the bottom of the order.

He has had Rizzo hitting behind him all year, so he is getting protection just not doing much with it.
 

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Chris J wont be on for a while. Im willing to sig bet he is on a :fap: bender with thoughts of Theo laying on a Maui beach dancing in his head.
 

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I don't hate the deal. Let's see if they actually can get him some help in the middle of the line-up. Soon.

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This. I really like the deal, but they need to get someone else to be the power bat in the lineup. Sure they have Soriano now and he is a good batter, but the fact is next year will more than likley be his last with the club and tehy need to get another power bat to build the lineup around. I don't want to "Hope", Soler, or Baez develop into that. Although they may we need to get more of a sure thing moving forward.

Hopefully the Samardzija extension is not far off. I'm interested to see how the Garza situation plays out.
 

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sounds about right

C- looks like it could be taken for a few years
1b locked up
2b gold glove for now
ss locked up
3rd nothing
lf old
cf nothing
rf nothing that'll be here

our core is "starting" to come together, if Barney could learn how to use a bat we'd have a solid 2b

I've posted this before:

At this point Barney is a over rated UI.
Career production: .256/.303/.344

Not starter production at all but for some reason he has earned worship among Cubs fans.

RF I like Schierholtz and I do not see the justification of platooning him when his partner is hitting lower then .200.

3B has honestly been pretty decent:
Valbuena: .272/.385/.489
Ransom: .394/.444/.788

8 HR 18 RBI's combined.

look at that for a second:

1B: 9 HR 28 RBI's
RF: 7 HR 24 RBI's
3B: 8 HR 18 RBI's
SS: 3 HR 17 RBI's
C: 4 HR 14 RBI's
CF: 4 HR 12 RBI's
LF: 3 HR 10 RBI's
2B: 1 HR 3 RBI's

Numbers don't lie.

over all right now Sori's lack of middle of the order presence is affecting the team. Barney is auto out.

If Sori was hitting this might actually be a doable line up (minus Barney). (still not sold on Hairston in RF .136/.167/.386 is not acceptable for a corner OF)
 

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sounds about right

C- looks like it could be taken for a few years
1b locked up
2b gold glove for now
ss locked up
3rd nothing
lf old
cf nothing
rf nothing that'll be here

our core is "starting" to come together, if Barney could learn how to use a bat we'd have a solid 2b

I like the move because it is a low risk, high reward gamble. I feel a that a good comparison for Rizzo would be Carlos Pena.

Rizzo has in my opinion, better overall offensive numbers versus Pena like better BA and RBI potential. SO's, BB's, and OPS appear to be on course with Pena's but I think defensively, Pena would have the edge. Tit for tat.

It would appear to me that down the road at worst would be either a trade to an AL team because Rizzo has DH potential to boot, or I am guessing that he could man a corner OF position if the Cubs indeed find a better option. Trust me, I have seen slower OF's and weaker defensive players than him.

Hell, who knows? It could be Voglebach that ends up moving him if "Chunk" is not traded before then.

If you can live with a Carlos Pena type player at 1B with a higher ceiling, than that's what the Cubs got for 7 years.

Just my observation.
 

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Rizzo will be a bust. :troll:
 

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