Rizzo locked up for 7 years

[CSF77]

I'm more concerned with 2013 and looking towards 2014 and on. Sori has lost power this year. Rizzo is still young and is in his first full season. Just in this view point Sori should be the rock of the line up as he was last year while Rizzo's production matures. To be honest if Sori keeps his SLG hovering around .400 all year and management doesn't do anything about it I'll believe the losing to getting a protect pick theory. They built this crapper to lose and when players they invest into like Jackson underperform there is no consequence. Sori is in a all time low no consequence. There is no urgency to win with this organization. That is why they are on track for a 2nd 100 loss crapper.

 

[KBisBack!]

Agendaz and stuff.

Awesome lets use Soriano's career OPS which he hasn't matched in five seasons, but accuse the other guy of agendaz for pointing out information that doesn't fit what you see. Dynamite analysis.

I pointed out that Soriano has been a more productive player in his career and Rizzo hasn't even sniffed the production that Soriano has provided.

By the way, his career OPS includes those last five seasons you are crying about and still leaves him significantly better than Rizzo.

Clearly you are counting this first 1/4 of a season as one of the last five seasons in another punk move, because five seasons ago Soriano posted an .876 OPS.

You also split hairs and claim that last years .821 OPS doesn't match his career .825 OPS. Full on punk move.

You also ignore that his .818 OPS in 2010 is damn close to his career .825 OPS. Slightly less punish.

You wished to narrow it down to the last two years when Soriano is at the end of his career like a punk.

You got schooled. Deal with it.

 

[dabynsky]

I pointed out that Soriano has been a more productive player in his career and Rizzo hasn't even sniffed the production that Soriano has provided.

By the way, his career OPS includes those last five seasons you are crying about and still leaves him significantly better than Rizzo.

Clearly you are counting this first 1/4 of a season as one of the last five seasons in another punk move, because five seasons ago Soriano posted an .876 OPS.

You also split hairs and claim that last years .821 OPS doesn't match his career .825 OPS. Full on punk move.

You also ignore that his .818 OPS in 2010 is damn close to his career .825 OPS. Slightly less punish.

You wished to narrow it down to the last two years when Soriano is at the end of his career like a punk.

You got schooled. Deal with it.

Really I got schooled? Your continued inability to read is the only thing that continues to be displayed. Here is what you said since clearly you forget it already:

Only Soriano's hot streaks are better and more often

I pointed out correctly if that assessment was true his numbers would be better in the present. They are not. Since they aren't you resort to your typical response of pulling whatever random bits of information you can to cobble together an argument and call the other person a punk, claim agendaz and stuff.

 

[Mr. Cub]

Illuminati.

 

[dabynsky]

Illuminati.

 

[KBisBack!]

Really I got schooled? Your continued inability to read is the only thing that continues to be displayed. Here is what you said since clearly you forget it already:

I pointed out correctly if that assessment was true his numbers would be better in the present. They are not. Since they aren't you resort to your typical response of pulling whatever random bits of information you can to cobble together an argument and call the other person a punk, claim agendaz and stuff.

Yawn.

You continue to cry and whine about other's reading comprehension when the only one lacking it is you.

My exact words that you quoted but failed to comprehend were that Soriano's hot streaks are better and more often.

Nowhere at all did I present any kind of timeframe.

YOU chose to act like a punk and cherry pick the last two years, well really year and a quarter for Soriano and less than a year for Rizzo where the shorter timeframe helps with brief hot streaks.

I somehow 'unfairly' responded again with not a narrow time frame but using the players entire careers.

I even pointed out how your attempted cherry picking at even his last five years was again incorrect.

You instigated an argument and lost. Move on.

 

[dabynsky]

Yawn.

You continue to cry and whine about other's reading comprehension when the only one lacking it is you.

Really, my reading comprehension is lacking? Did I continue to argue with you about the point you were making? Did you ever find a post where I was asking for teams that just improved and didn't make the postseason? Guess you are lacking those FACTS you are so fond of in this case.

My exact words that you quoted but failed to comprehend were that Soriano's hot streaks are better and more often.

Nowhere at all did I present any kind of timeframe.[/quoe]You used the present tense. That indicates that right now Soriano does the things you are saying. This is not semantics. This is the English language.

YOU chose to act like a punk and cherry pick the last two years, well really year and a quarter for Soriano and less than a year for Rizzo where the shorter timeframe helps with brief hot streaks.

I somehow 'unfairly' responded again with not a narrow time frame but using the players entire careers.

I even pointed out how your attempted cherry picking at even his last five years was again incorrect.

You instigated an argument and lost. Move on.

I have correctly pointed out how you criticize one player for being inconsistent and defend another. The rest of this back and forth has been you trying to defend that inconsistency. The best argument you have apparently was that prior to 2009 Alfonso Soriano was a much better player than either Soriano is now or Rizzo is presently. If you think that "wins" the argument, I guess it is best that we move on because clearly there is no point.

 

[KBisBack!]

You are a clown.

I used the present tense seeing as I was comparing to presently active major leaguers and not one active player to one retired player.

I used the players career numbers seeing as that would be the most comprehensive comparison, but you didn't like that so you whined and cried and stomped your feet and held your breath cause that was being just too unfair.

So I suppose that using last seasons stats where again Soriano posted the superior production would again not fit your criteria of the 'present'.

How about we use the next Tuesday where there is a full moon on an odd numbered day in a month that begins with an A in a leap year?

Will that be present enough for you?

 

[dabynsky]

You are a clown.

I used the present tense seeing as I was comparing to presently active major leaguers and not one active player to one retired player.

I used the players career numbers seeing as that would be the most comprehensive comparison, but you didn't like that so you whined and cried and stomped your feet and held your breath cause that was being just too unfair.

So I suppose that using last seasons stats where again Soriano posted the superior production would again not fit your criteria of the 'present'.

How about we use the next Tuesday where there is a full moon on an odd numbered day in a month that begins with an A in a leap year?

Will that be present enough for you?

How about this then. Do you honestly believe Soriano is anywhere the player he was prior to 2009 currently?

 

[KBisBack!]

How about this then. Do you honestly believe Soriano is anywhere the player he was prior to 2009 currently?

Doesn't matter.

I believe Soriano was a more productive player than Rizzo last year.

I knew that even using last year's numbers wouldn't be good enough for you, which is exactly what I predicted.

Strawman away.

 

[dabynsky]

Doesn't matter.

I believe Soriano was a more productive player than Rizzo last year.

I knew that even using last year's numbers wouldn't be good enough for you, which is exactly what I predicted.

Strawman away.

As I suspected, you have no response to my reasonable questions. And will continue name calling and or divert attention away when anyone questions you're very selective usage of statistics.

 

[KBisBack!]

As I suspected, you have no response to my reasonable questions. And will continue name calling when anyone questions you're very selective usage of statistics.

The topic wasn't is Soriano a better player now than he was in 2009.

The topic was that Soriano's hot streaks over his career have been better and more often Rizzo has done.

It was shown that last year Soriano was more productive than Rizzo.

So when I use the players entire careers, well that doesn't work for you because it isn't 'current' enough.

I use last years stats to demonstrate once again that Soriano was more productive. That doesn't work for you enough.

And then you make a punk comment that I am using selective usage of stats??

Clown Shoes.

 

[dabynsky]

The topic wasn't is Soriano a better player now than he was in 2009.

The topic was that Soriano's hot streaks over his career have been better and more often Rizzo has done.

It was shown that last year Soriano was more productive than Rizzo.

So when I use the players entire careers, well that doesn't work for you because it isn't 'current' enough.

I use last years stats to demonstrate once again that Soriano was more productive. That doesn't work for you enough.

And then you make a punk comment that I am using selective usage of stats??

Clown Shoes.

This is why I made the earlier comments about selective usage of statistics and diverting attention away. This conversation is all about why you defend one player who is inconsistent and criticize another. You say that it is because one player has more hot streaks, but their overall numbers don't reflect that in the present. Even if you want to just look at one year, you have a whooping 16 points of OPS last year. Using your debating skills that is a punk move there. To try to overcome that fact, you then try to turn this into a debate about the career of Soriano which has nothing to do with the players we are talking about today. I ask a very reasonable question to prove that and to again use your terminology you say that doesn't matter in another punk move. So continue doing everything you can to take attention away from those facts.

 

[CSF77]

Kinda sick of the arguement so:

and **** what he did in SD and what Soriano did before Rizzo got here.

This is just durring their time together as Rizzo hitting #3 Soriano hitting #4. Stupid arguement BTW.



June 2012:
Rizzo:.. 15 AB .267/.313/.600 1 HR
Soriano: 98 AB .286/.369/.582 8 HR

July 2012:
Rizzo:..97 AB .330/.375/.567 7 HR
Soriano:88 AB .261/.286/.511 4 HR

Aug 2012:
Rizzo:..111 AB .252/.300/.342 2 HR
Soriano: 93 AB .226/.311/.542 5 HR

Sept 2012:
Rizzo:..106 AB .292/.375/.491 5 HR
Soriano:107 AB .271/.339/.561 8 HR

Apr 2013
Rizzo:..98 AB .224/.315/.531 8 HR
Soriano:99 AB .263/.291/.343 1 HR

May 2013:
Rizzo:..95 AB .295/.330/.453 2 HR
Soriano:77 AB .273/.309/.506 4 HR

 

[KBisBack!]

This is why I made the earlier comments about selective usage of statistics and diverting attention away.

Which is why I responded and correctly pointed out how dumb your claim about selective usage of stats is.

You are the one who selective used stats from last year and the start of this year so it conveniently left out Rizzo's brutally bad numbers in San Diego while taking full advantage of his 8 HR's in April combined with Soriano's slow start.

And when I used the most recently completed season, well you didn't like that either so you had to selective change it to the last 5 seasons, using the first 40ish games of this season as one of the five seasons to eliminate Soriano's excellent 2008 season.

THAT has been the only selective usage of stats in the conversation despite your lies.

This conversation is all about why you defend one player who is inconsistent and criticize another.

Because the one player has factually shown to be more productive.

You say that it is because one player has more hot streaks, but their overall numbers don't reflect that in the present. Even if you want to just look at one year, you have a whooping 16 points of OPS last year. Using your debating skills that is a punk move there. To try to overcome that fact, you then try to turn this into a debate about the career of Soriano which has nothing to do with the players we are talking about today.

Actually wrong.

I showed last year where Soriano was the more productive player. But you don't like that, so you are trying to selectively narrow the discussion to the first 40 odd some games of just this season.

It was dumb when idiots like you at this point last year were pointing out about how LaHair was the better player than Fielder or Pujols at this time of the season. But you are that guy aren't you?

The discussion never started with the present. The discussion started comparing the careers of two active major league players. YOU tried to change it to the present and last year didn't count as the present either.

 

[KBisBack!]

Stupid arguement BTW.

An argument completely instigated by a moderator of the forum.

Classy.

 

[dabynsky]

The discussion never started with the present. The discussion started comparing the careers of two active major league players. YOU tried to change it to the present and last year didn't count as the present either.

Find a post where I compared the two player's careers and you would have a point. Still waiting for that post where I was asking for a team that merely improved and not make the postseason as well.

 

[KBisBack!]

Find a post where I compared the two player's careers and you would have a point. Still waiting for that post where I was asking for a team that merely improved and not make the postseason as well.

I don't have to find the post where you compared the two players careers because I was the one to make the point first that Soriano's hot streaks are better and more frequent.

It was then that you took it upon yourself to selectively use the last two years while whining that I was selectively using stats.

I could care less what you are waiting for.

I already proved you wrong listing two teams that turned around in one offseason and improved and made the playoffs.

 

[chibears55]

Stupid arguement BTW

:shot: totally agree.. most arguments on some of these threads are pretty stupid.. just seems to go round and round and whomever insults the most is the winner..lol

to add to your stats CSF, ill throw in total runs production RBI/RS ( soriano since rizzo joined june 26 )

Rizzo 2012 87 Games 44 R 48 RBI 92 Total 2013 48 Games 23 R 32 RBI 55 Total

soriano 2012 83 Games 39 R 65 RBI 104 Total 2013 45 Games 18 R 16 RBI 44 Total

 

[KBisBack!]

and **** what he did in SD and what Soriano did before Rizzo got here.

Well those two division titles Soriano led the Cubs to in 2007 and 2008 say it matter.