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2SeamHeat said:
Look, Jackson's simply not ready. If he can't make consistent contact in AAA, he's not going to do so at the MLB level, Yes, this can be improved. It can be improved through experience and coaching. While he may not be ready right now... there is still half of this season remaining, and he is improving right now. He could very well end up showing signs that he's ready come September. He could go into next ST and win the job by proving he's ready. 3 months is forever when it comes to development.

I say give him the rest of this season at Iowa, along with Vitters who is looking more and more like he's getting close to ready. Let them both play winter ball. Then let's see where they are when camp opens up in February. Another year (from now) in Iowa won't hurt them, and it really won't set the team back either.
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There is the possibility of trading guys like Jackson and Vitters who have upside but also obvious flaws. But I don't really see how that benefits the team as it doesn't make sense to trade prospects for prospects, and since the team isn't contending short term, they can't really start going after elite MLB talent either.

Jackson won't be in his theoretical prime for another three or four years so waiting isn't a big deal in my opinion. Vitters is also really young. I wonder if they have considered trying Vitters in the OF since his defense kind of sucks, but I don't think he has the power to stick there. I guess for most prospects, if they end up being good role players you count your blessings.
 
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Rice Cube said:
There is the possibility of trading guys like Jackson and Vitters who have upside but also obvious flaws. But I don't really see how that benefits the team as it doesn't make sense to trade prospects for prospects, and since the team isn't contending short term, they can't really start going after elite MLB talent either.

Jackson won't be in his theoretical prime for another three or four years so waiting isn't a big deal in my opinion. Vitters is also really young. I wonder if they have considered trying Vitters in the OF since his defense kind of sucks, but I don't think he has the power to stick there. I guess for most prospects, if they end up being good role players you count your blessings.
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I guess it depends on the prospects you get back. This team is in dire need of impact SP prospects. So, I guess if you could trade Jackson and/or Vitters for stud SP prospects... it would make sense. Especially with Baez, Almora, Lake, and Soler in the mix now.

However, I kind of figure that's the base point of negotiations for guys like Dempster and Garza.

They did put Vitters in RF during Fall ball last year. I was surprised the experiment stopped, to be honest.
 
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Rice Cube said:
There is the possibility of trading guys like Jackson and Vitters who have upside but also obvious flaws. But I don't really see how that benefits the team as it doesn't make sense to trade prospects for prospects, and since the team isn't contending short term, they can't really start going after elite MLB talent either.

Jackson won't be in his theoretical prime for another three or four years so waiting isn't a big deal in my opinion. Vitters is also really young. I wonder if they have considered trying Vitters in the OF since his defense kind of sucks, but I don't think he has the power to stick there. I guess for most prospects, if they end up being good role players you count your blessings.
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Vitters has played some OF. I want to say he got some time in the Arizona Fall League. The deal is that his glove has actually been getting better at 3B, and 3B is the one spot were his bat might be average to a little above average. He becomes a role player if he can't stick at 3B full time with a bat that doesn't profile for LF/1B.
 

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2SeamHeat said:
I guess it depends on the prospects you get back. This team is in dire need of impact SP prospects. So, I guess if you could trade Jackson and/or Vitters for stud SP prospects... it would make sense. Especially with Baez, Almora, Lake, and Soler in the mix now.

However, I kind of figure that's the base point of negotiations for guys like Dempster and Garza.

They did put Vitters in RF during Fall ball last year. I was surprised the experiment stopped, to be honest.
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If you are a believer in the defensive spectrum and WAR adjustments then it makes sense that they would try their best to keep him in the infield since he doesn't have the power to project as a regular corner OF yet.

They did keep moving Jackson around in the OF but his value is as a CF. They need him to stick at CF in my opinion or else he's no longer special.
 
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If you are a believer in the defensive spectrum and WAR adjustments then it makes sense that they would try their best to keep him in the infield since he doesn't have the power to project as a regular corner OF yet.

They did keep moving Jackson around in the OF but his value is as a CF. They need him to stick at CF in my opinion or else he's no longer special.
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Oh I'm not surprised they moved him back to 3B... only that they haven't really put him in the OF that much this year. He holds more value at 3B on several levels. But, if his defense doesn't rise up to where it needs to be at 3B, you can at least prepare him for a corner OF gig as well.
 
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2SeamHeat said:
Oh I'm not surprised they moved him back to 3B... only that they haven't really put him in the OF that much this year. He holds more value at 3B on several levels. But, if his defense doesn't rise up to where it needs to be at 3B, you can at least prepare him for a corner OF gig as well.
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What I've seen from Vitters has been pretty encouraging as far as defense goes. He is doing better than just about any point in his career as far as that goes. It still isn't great, but he has shown more capabilty of sticking at 3B this season than any previous year.
 
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The amount of pressure that is going to be on Rizzo will be ridiculous. I like the kid, so I really hope he can live up to or possibly exceed the hype.
 

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The amount of pressure that is going to be on Rizzo will be ridiculous. I like the kid, so I really hope he can live up to or possibly exceed the hype.
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thats something that cant be ignored either.
 
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Jntg4 said:
12:05 game, I bet if it was a 7:05 game he wouldn't be in the lineup.
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I think this has no bearing on anything other than today. Today Anthony Rizzo will not be on the 25 man roster of the Cubs.
 

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I think this has no bearing on anything other than today. Today Anthony Rizzo will not be on the 25 man roster of the Cubs.
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IK, I think that if it was a night game he'd already be on his way to Chicago though.
 
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If he was coming on Tuesday, I think you are right JNTG. While that is the odds on favorite, I wouldn't be shocked if he was still in Des Moines Tuesday morning.
 
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Add MLB Network to the chorus of voices saying Rizzo will be called up against the Mets.
 

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Day game on Tuesday, too. If he's not up on Tuesday I wonder if they try to cram him on a plane to debut on Wednesday at Wrigley since that is also a day game, while the I-Cubs play at night...
 
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Bring him for Sunday or Theo can :gtfo:

#theocheap
 

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Bring him for Sunday or Theo can :gtfo:

#theocheap
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It stands to reason that if they call up Rizzo on Tuesday, he's probably going to be there Sunday too.

#memefail
 
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I'm kind of rooting for them to bring him up on Tuesday and send him down Saturday just to piss fisch off...
 
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