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Or maybe its that bulls fans really want to see a championship. something they haven't seen in 18 years.
Or maybe its that bulls fans really want to see a championship. something they haven't seen in 18 years.
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If Rose's vision troubles are over (if they really were as bad as we made it out to be) and he's "waking up," what kind of numbers do you expect from him? Is 20 and 10 asking for too much?
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I think that's too much. He was never a high assist guy and I think he's best when he scores more. Before the season, I actually predicted 20 ppg and 6 apg on average efficiency. If the issue was solely vision problems, and he's completely over it now, I think 20 and 6 would be pretty fair on hopefully average efficiency. I think he would need to play much better than that for us to have a shot at a title, as well as Jimmy playing a little better, and Pau not being a charity on defense. Could all that happen? Eh, maybe. Not so much an improvement on Pau's defense though.
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It's sad that some of you appear to be upset that Rose is now playing better.
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Cautious wait and see approach is fine. But optimism and winning go hand in hand. To get as far as winning another NBA championship, you need a lot of luck on your side. Even if you want to assume that it would be a reach for Rose to reach that high level ever again, the fact is, is that he has proven what few players in the league have; he can. I am far more optimistic about having a former NBA MVP on my team still in his 20's than I would be if I did not. And going through the process of trying to find another rare gem who has never proven anything yet. Rose has proven much already.
Right there is your reason for optimism.
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Lol, who is upset? You guys are delusional. I've stated throughout this thread that I'm hoping he plays better and would love to see it. Basically, all that's been said, is he needs to put together more than 3 good consecutive games and I'll take a wait and see approach. I haven't seen one person upset that he's played well over the past 3 games.
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I'd be happy with 17 points per game, 5 assists, 45% Two point shooting and 30% three-point shooting from here on out.
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If that's your stance, that's your stance. God bless. Maybe he gets there. Really, that's all anyone of us can do when predicting the future of the players or the team. We can only operate in maybe's.
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its not as simple as comparing names on paper. that 2011 team not only had a Derrick that was nearly unstoppable but they had a hunger and fight in them that this team has not shown they possess.
defensively that team was truly elite. what is this team elite at? that #2 defense that was fools gold to begin with is slipping down the rankings. offense is atrocious. this team doesn't have an identity.
i'd take that 2011 team again and wouldn't think twice. yes i'd forgo Butler, Gasol, Nikola, whoever. yes they were a one man show on offense but it was a pretty damn good show...im ready to turn the channel on this one
defensively that team was truly elite. what is this team elite at? that #2 defense that was fools gold to begin with is slipping down the rankings. offense is atrocious. this team doesn't have an identity.
i'd take that 2011 team again and wouldn't think twice. yes i'd forgo Butler, Gasol, Nikola, whoever. yes they were a one man show on offense but it was a pretty damn good show...im ready to turn the channel on this one
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And what a better way to get that elusive 7th championship by getting rid of a guy who has already proven he can be "the guy" on a legit contending team and starting from pretty much scratch.
I just find it funny that so many guys are in love with Niko when he basically looks like the next Vladimir Radmanovic but want to give up on Rose.
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I agree with this. However, I don't think it's as simple to say that "we don't have an identity." The problem is, we don't consistently play to our identity and it cost us. The Bulls are I believe, 16(or17) and 1 when holding teams under 100 points. That to me, says all there is about this teams identity. They're identity is still defense. Now, the defense I believe is somewhat fools gold because they don't play with the same defensive effort every night. That's the problem. Part of that I believe is an extremely lucid rotation. Fred has struggled to find the lineups and rotations but also, part of that has to do with his preference on playing matchups. That's not an excuse though, there needs to be a more stable rotation without a doubt. I believe Fred wants to be balanced, so he doesn't place more of an emphasis on offense or defense. He's known as an offensive guy, but he's been preaching defense since he got here. He needs to lean more towards defense, and I believe Jimmy was right that he does need to get on guys more and be a bit more vocal. Basically what I'm saying is, the Bulls have an identity but they're just bi-polar. Same as last year.
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That's not good enough for me. You essentially want Monta Ellis for almost twice the money.
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Considering what we've gotten is 13 points, 5 assists, on 39% two's and less than 20% three's,
I'd say 17-5-45%-30% would be a big improvement.
All that would take is making literally two more shots per game at the same volume.
I'd expect a lot more at a higher volume in the post season where his aggressiveness would need to be much bolder.
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Rose was bad at the start. Yeah he wasn't as bad as Emmanual Mudiay but he was bad. He's my favorite player all time and I'm a huge fan, but even I'll admit he has been bad up until recently.
I think this play will be the trend though. In the past we've had these glimpses then he goes right back to a rough stretch. He's only got a year and a half left on his deal and Just like anyone else he's going to want to get paid. Wouldn't be surprised if next year was close or on level with his mvp year.
I think this play will be the trend though. In the past we've had these glimpses then he goes right back to a rough stretch. He's only got a year and a half left on his deal and Just like anyone else he's going to want to get paid. Wouldn't be surprised if next year was close or on level with his mvp year.
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Mudiay is fucking terrible. whats up with the youngins these days? it seems likes all of them have been lackluster in the last few years. only ones that have shown out have been Kyrie, Lillard and AD
of course some good role players/2nd tier guys aswell but not seeing many new breed stars. im waiting for that guy that comes and just shows he gonna be a force to be reckon with....i guess AD fits that
of course some good role players/2nd tier guys aswell but not seeing many new breed stars. im waiting for that guy that comes and just shows he gonna be a force to be reckon with....i guess AD fits that
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A good way to get that championship is not putting all your eggs in rose who hasnt played at an MVP level in 4 years. The bulls need to rebuild. They don't have a guy that can win a championship right now. It's painfully obvious. I hope rose continues to play better but this team isnt beating the cavs.
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Towns looks pretty legit :shrug:
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Rami,
Rose has been awful this season. A week or so ago he had a PER ranked in the 200's.
Rose has been awful this season. A week or so ago he had a PER ranked in the 200's.
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This is true. Never stated otherwise.