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well I counted 23 PG's with more assists per game, so tell me how that's top half of starting pg's???
well I counted 23 PG's with more assists per game, so tell me how that's top half of starting pg's???
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yet, even he avg more assists per game than rose lol
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All point guards. You missed page two. Troll fail.
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It's awesome that derrick has been doing well. Portis has also looked fantastic. Finally this team has something to be optimistic about. Plus snelly cat has been aggressive.
I don't really get the arguments here. Rose has sucked so far, there is no denying. Nothing was knee jerk.
Lets enjoy his success while it's here, and not go any farther than that.
I don't really get the arguments here. Rose has sucked so far, there is no denying. Nothing was knee jerk.
Lets enjoy his success while it's here, and not go any farther than that.
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The arguments come from most of this board jumping on the let's dump Rose out of town / he's the worst player in the NBA bandwagon.
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All he has to do push the ball and attack the rim to score or get to the line. He has to regain the confidence to absorb the physical contact in the lane then he will be fine.
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Yep, I don't get it, myself. People here are so intent at bashing Rose every chance they get, and for what? His injuries have been a let down for everyone, but for Christ's sake, he finally looked healthy coming into this year.... AND THE 1ST FUCKIN PRACTICE... his own teammate elbows him in the face and breaks his orbital bone!
How the **** is that his fault? We all know he's played like shit so far, but shouldn't we be excited about his progress from the injury??? Noooooo, instead the same old bitches here want to keep bashing him and run him out of town, go figure?
Any person that has an eye for basketball can see the Bulls are a much better team with Rose playing well. The freakin Doctors said it could take up to 6 months to completely heal. Shouldn't, again, we be happy to see the progress this early?
I swear, I take a couple months off the MB and come back to the same old silly bullshit. Fuckin cray cray.....
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Idk, I heat everyone saying that there was that argument but all I remember was people discussing the article where it made it clear that rose was statistically horrible this year.
I would consider myself a rose basher this year, but definitely a recent one. I don't think there's anyone that not glad he's doing well again. I just hope it lasts, because I know i be been guilty if think "He's back!" Way too many times.
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Agreed. Half the time Derrick looks "out of the game" is because he's just passing and not attacking the rim. I get that he wants to adjust his game, but he's never been Rajon Rondo. When rose slashes to the rim good things happen. It's simple. It's easily noticed which is why it bothers me. How can we tell that but not Hoiberg, who is paid to do this?
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Does it really matter how these conversations got started? What really matters is that it's understood that:
1. There was a group of people that didn't have much faith in Rose putting together a consistent season at a level that we need him to be. These people were not unjustified in thinking this way, and are more "see it to believe it people"
2. On the other side, there was a group almost unconditionally faithful to Derrick, and upheld the belief that he was going to bounce back despite of any past tribulations. I don't exactly fault these people, but naturally there's going to be some debate and discussion among two drastically different viewpoints.
In the end, nobody's opinion is more important than the next person. People of course disagree when it come so something as subjective as player importance, upside, projections, metrics etc. Let's just move along. Nothing left to see here.
1. There was a group of people that didn't have much faith in Rose putting together a consistent season at a level that we need him to be. These people were not unjustified in thinking this way, and are more "see it to believe it people"
2. On the other side, there was a group almost unconditionally faithful to Derrick, and upheld the belief that he was going to bounce back despite of any past tribulations. I don't exactly fault these people, but naturally there's going to be some debate and discussion among two drastically different viewpoints.
In the end, nobody's opinion is more important than the next person. People of course disagree when it come so something as subjective as player importance, upside, projections, metrics etc. Let's just move along. Nothing left to see here.
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huh? page two of what? I don't get what the hell youre talking about. you said rose is top half of all starting PG's in assists per game and I pointed out there are 23 PG's with a higher assists per game, thus not top half :shrug: pretty simple damn math really when you consider theres 30 teams in the league and there are 23 PG's ahead of him in that stat, so derrick comes in right about 24th out of the starting 30 PG's....but I guess pointing out facts makes one a troll on here now
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Yes he has been.
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He's had terrible games, he's had mediocre games, and he's had pretty decent games. Overall, he hasn't been the worst player in the league. A lot of people like to exaggerate.
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He hasn't been THE worst but he was abysmal and closer to the bottom than the top. He wasn't even mediocre. He was pretty objectively bad.
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In terms of PER? Yeah, although I'm not sure how much credence you want to give to a metric which doesn't account for certain aspects on the court. I'd say Rose got the better of his assignment more times than vice versa. I'd also say the Bulls' record isn't as good without him versus with him. I'd say, if nothing else, he was more towards the middle of the pack from an objective standpoint than the end of the pack. You're entitled to your opinion though.
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In terms of PER? Yes..and how about every other metric you want to look at?
eFG%, TS%, WS, FG%, 3 PT%
Can you find me a statistic, other than maybe assists that he's been even average at?
Look, the guy has sucked this season outside of 5 games or so. Yes, he's been one of the worst starting PGs in the league. HANDS DOWN. It's not even a debate. You are in some crazy denial, my friend.
Now, can Derrick play better? Sure. Could he play better now moving forward to where he's not one of the worst starting PGs in the league and maybe even play average or better? Yes. But to say he hasn't been terrible over the course of the season, is absolutely crazy. You can't look at his numbers and say anything other than he's been brutal. Not bad, not "meh", absolutely BRUTAL. It's good to see him play the way he has the past 3 games and I hope he keeps it up. But that doesn't erase the majority of the season. He's going to need to string a months worth of good games to get back to respectability.
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And a ton of other numbers.
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He has been one of the worst starting point guards in the league so far this season. I've said as much on other threads and this thread as well. However, look game by game at the shooting percentages of the opposing starting point guard. More often than not, Rose has held his man to a low shooting percentage and/or low scoring output. There is no decent metric available to measure that. And it is definitely not included in PER.
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Ok, so you admitted he's been one of the worst starting PGs in the league? Cool...I don't see any reason to discuss this further.
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Some dudes in this forum call him one of the worst players in the league and others say it's a no brainer to get rid of him at all costs. That's why I'm defending him because I feel that is a pretty extreme mentality.
TS% is not nearly as accurate of a formula to measure scoring efficiency as [ 2PM(*2) + 3PM(*3) + FTM(*1) ] / [ FGA + FTA(/2) ] and then times 100
The NBA average, just to give you an idea is about 102.
Rose is below even the last ranked 76ers (who average 92 as a team) at 85. Though there are a number of players below him in efficiency (i.e. Lawson, Kobe Bryant, and Mudiay who is at like 61).
So, yes, by any measurement, Rose has been very weak in terms of scoring efficiency. That was the weak spot of his game this season so far.
His assisting and opponent FG% and opponent output though has been very good. Still, the reason Rose was the MVP was having all those other categories strong as well as scoring 108 pts / 100 possessions versus the 85 he is so far this season. A far cry from Stephen Curry this season who is a scorching hot 135/100poss but was enough to match LeBron James' current 108/100poss.