Russell Wilson Offered $21m/yr - He declines

[Pegger]

Considering when the best QBs are discussed the first stat they cite are their pass attempts


Aaron Rodgers is in a clear decline...was #14 in pass attempts last year.

When people are talking about the single game great performances from the QB positon how can't they bring up:

- Jon Kitna's 68 attempts in a win against the Steelers
- Brian Greise's 67 attempts in a loss to the Bucs (he was a Bear at that time)
- Chris Wienke's 63 attempts in a blowout loss to the Cards
- Elvis Grbac's 63 attempts in a loss to the Bungles (they were the Bungles back then)
- Joey Harrington's 62 attempts in a loss to the Packers (fun fact - Marty Booker had a TD!)

Some of the NFL's attempt 'elite' just showing you what they can do on any given Sunday (providing they were actually employeed and were allowed to play).

 

[iueyedoc]

Considering when the best QBs are discussed the first stat they cite are their pass attempts


Aaron Rodgers is in a clear decline...was #14 in pass attempts last year.

Yes they are very similar, except RWilson ranked lower half of NFL starters (>8 games) last year in Comp%, YPG, TD's ,TD% while Rodgers was top 10 in all (3 in TD's and 2 in TD%).

Oh, Oh but RW was #4 in INT% to Rodgers #1.

You know what they call guys that rank below #20 in yards/gm every season, but don't make a lot of mistakes. Game managers.

 

[onebud34]

Rodgers also didn't account for a good chunk of the running offense


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[Unannounced Fart]

- Brian Greise's 67 attempts in a loss to the Bucs (he was a Bear at that time)

He was actually a Buc at that time and they beat the Bears in OT. Not that it detracts from your point, though.

 

[iueyedoc]

Maybe look at it this way - Wilson does more with every attempt, so logically needs less to accomplish the same task.

I go back to the crux of this thread. Should R Wilson be the top paid player in the NFL.

No, hell no, fuck no.

He is a good to very good young QB that should be paid around top 8-10 money. Will he be overpaid? Most likely.

He has succeeded in the easiest position to succeed any rookie QB has ever been put into. Low pass attempts, great D, great running back that churns up yards and keeps opposing defenses honest and a shit load of 2nd and mid to short yardage situations.

How someone makes the leap to pay a guy that has led the 26th or lower ranked passing game every year of his career, top money in the NFL, is unfathomable.

 

[Packer Fan]

When people are talking about the single game great performances from the QB positon how can't they bring up:

- Jon Kitna's 68 attempts in a win against the Steelers
- Brian Greise's 67 attempts in a loss to the Bucs (he was a Bear at that time)
- Chris Wienke's 63 attempts in a blowout loss to the Cards
- Elvis Grbac's 63 attempts in a loss to the Bungles (they were the Bungles back then)
- Joey Harrington's 62 attempts in a loss to the Packers (fun fact - Marty Booker had a TD!)

Some of the NFL's attempt 'elite' just showing you what they can do on any given Sunday (providing they were actually employeed and were allowed to play).

I know your point is lousy QB's and a ridiculous number of attempts but since I can't get enough of Matt Flynn today so why not bring up:

31/44, 480 yards and 6 TD's in a win against the Lions. And that's 10.9 ypa! That Flynn is no game manager, that's for sure!

 

[onebud34]

Flynns the Cutler of gunslingers


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[Don't Care]

How someone makes the leap to pay a guy that has led the 26th or lower ranked passing game every year of his career, top money in the NFL, is unfathomable.

Because what if you're wrong, he actually is a good QB and he goes somewhere and makes plays for $25M/year? He could have been your QB. It's not like many of these franchises have too many other options when it comes to landing a good QB. GMs have to be willing to take risks.

 

[iueyedoc]

Because what if you're wrong, he actually is a good QB and he goes somewhere and makes plays for $25M/year? He could have been your QB. It's not like many of these franchises have too many other options when it comes to landing a good QB. GMs have to be willing to take risks.

Yeah, but you can let him play under his rookie deal for just $1.7M, and then franchise him for $20M in 2016, $24 M in 2017, and $28.8M in 2018. Depending on the structure and guaranteed money, the $21+M by Paul Allen was a generous unnecessary offer. Wilson has zero leverage.

 

[Packer Fan]

Yeah, but you can let him play under his rookie deal for just $1.7M, and then franchise him for $20M in 2016, $24 M in 2017, and $28.8M in 2018. Depending on the structure and guaranteed money, the $21+M by Paul Allen was a generous unnecessary offer. Wilson has zero leverage.

Assuming those numbers are accurate, that's what I would do.

 

[Bearly]

Yeah, but you can let him play under his rookie deal for just $1.7M, and then franchise him for $20M in 2016, $24 M in 2017, and $28.8M in 2018. Depending on the structure and guaranteed money, the $21+M by Paul Allen was a generous unnecessary offer. Wilson has zero leverage.

This sounds familiar.

 

[onebud34]

Yeah, but you can let him play under his rookie deal for just $1.7M, and then franchise him for $20M in 2016, $24 M in 2017, and $28.8M in 2018. Depending on the structure and guaranteed money, the $21+M by Paul Allen was a generous unnecessary offer. Wilson has zero leverage.

How's so?

 

[1ke]

How's so?

Without going 12 rounds on this, since you know where I stand. Russ doesnt have any leverage. He cant do shit except take their offer, or sit out and watch some other QB hand the ball off to 24. They can franchise him for 2 years, before he can become a true FA. He is stuck. I dont se how he has any real leverage in this situation.

 

[onebud34]

Without going 12 rounds on this, since you know where I stand. Russ doesnt have any leverage. He cant do shit except take their offer, or sit out and watch some other QB hand the ball off to 24. They can franchise him for 2 years, before he can become a true FA. He is stuck.

The trend is QBs getting an extension before their contract is up. He holds plenty of leverage.


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[1ke]

The trend is QBs getting an extension before their contract is up. He holds plenty of leverage.


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I'm aware, but that trend is there because those teams showed the willingness to extend Bears included. So far, Seattle has shown they think Russ is worth what they offered him.

 

[onebud34]

I'm aware, but that trend is there because those teams showed the willingness to extend Bears included. So far, Seattle has shown they think Russ is worth what they offered him.

And that will more than likely go up if Seattle makes a deep playoff run again.

Unless the team bombs this year...RW holds all the leverage.


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[Packer Fan]

And that will more than likely go up if Seattle makes a deep playoff run again.

Unless the team bombs this year...RW holds all the leverage.


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I disagree.

 

[onebud34]

I disagree.

Yes?


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[Packer Fan]

Pay him next to nothing this year instead of highest paid player in the league. Next year, franchise, not even top player in the league. Wait and see. Waiting two years saves millions of dollars.

 

[Packer Fan]

But he does look in the mirror and sees greatness when he shaves. Maybe I'd give the short guy a giant paycheck when he's still under contract.