Ryan Dempster trade thread -UPDATE- No one knows what the **** is going on

[Mr. Cub]

Can't really be mad at Dempster. It's that Atlanta dude's fault. If he hadn't leaked shit we wouldn't be hearing all this stuff.

 

[DewsSox79]

Yeah...the part that frustrates me the most is that he has said in the past he'll do what he can to help the team....and now he's sort of doing the opposite. It's his right to turn down trades -- but don't contradict yourself.

exactly. I mean even when he said all that PC shit, he could still be strict with his list and not look like an asshole. The fact that he had atl as a place to go and now is pulling this shit is just stupid. He should have just told theo......."only la" from the beginning. and his hissy fit getting pulled out made me even more pissed. theo is looking stupid and its not his fault.

 

[dabynsky]

Why can't we be mad at Dempster? It is his right to turn down a deal, but it is clear that the Cubs getting anything from him is not a priority. I don't begrudge him that fact if he had made it clear from the beginning that is what was going on. The Cubs got a monster of a deal for Dempster, and that is a bell that can't be unrung.

 

[dabynsky]

Bruce Levine is saying that the Dodgers are still heavily invovled in Dempster. Question is we will get enough from the Dodgers.

 

[DewsSox79]

Can't really be mad at Dempster. It's that Atlanta dude's fault. If he hadn't leaked shit we wouldn't be hearing all this stuff.

yes, yes you can! zomg a trade leaked! fucking tell him to deal with it. you cant blame ATL because of this. He never wanted to go there and somewhere along the weeks there was miscommunication or his agent is in his ear.

basically you had a team that was on the list that is a contender trade for you, and you reject it because you werent told before it leaked, give me a break.

Its LA or bust.

 

[DewsSox79]

Bruce Levine is saying that the Dodgers are still heavily invovled in Dempster. Question is we will get enough from the Dodgers.

no. the dodgers are driving the boat. if theo keeps high demands he can say, "**** off" and move to another pitcher.

 

[waldo7239117]

The Cubs are doing the right thing and saying they will keep him, offer comp and hopefully that'll raise the price a little better and get a LA to bite. If LA wants him, they may but right now that's all the hope Cub have. The Cubs have no leverage and this is what they are too. It's a pretty good idea since it's their last resort.

 

[dabynsky]

no. the dodgers are driving the boat. if theo keeps high demands he can say, "**** off" and move to another pitcher.

I highly doubt it, but if they really want to keep Zach Lee then Dempster might be the best they can do. The Cubs can hold onto him for a draft pick and while that leverage is really weak it is something. I was shocked that we were able to pull off a Carlos Beltran type deal like that I speculated about earlier in the season. Perhaps they can get the Dodgers to do a Webster plus deal. I am not holding my breath, but it would be at least some consolation.

 

[ZDemp34]

The reason I'm mad at him is because he lied to us. He said he would do whatever benefitted the Cubs, and Atlanta was even on his list, but he rejected it anyways. Jerk.

 

[DewsSox79]

some think greinke will be moved before demp and dodgers in on shields


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[dabynsky]

The price on Greinke is going to be ridiculous. The Dodgers are still linked more heavily to the Cubs starters (Dempster and Garza) then Shields according to Danny Knobler. And the Atlanta reporters are insisting that Dempster to the Braves isn't completely dead even if everyone admits that it is on life support at this point.

 

[dabynsky]

Bruce Levine on Dempster:

Bruce says that what Ryan Dempster actually told the Cubs is that there were a number of teams he would “consider going to.”

 

[2SeamHeat]

The price on Greinke is going to be ridiculous. The Dodgers are still linked more heavily to the Cubs starters (Dempster and Garza) then Shields according to Danny Knobler. And the Atlanta reporters are insisting that Dempster to the Braves isn't completely dead even if everyone admits that it is on life support at this point.

Brewers are still trying to extend Greinke, but they are finally taking offers for him in preparation of the extension falling through. Reportedly, they offered him something like a 5-year deal worth $20M per. Now that Hamels is extended, Greinke might be holding out for that kind of cash. So, right now, since they are still trying to extend him, the Brewers asking price for him is outrageous. That will slip as the days go by. It is 1:15 PM EST on July 26. This means that the trade deadline is 4 days 10 hours 45 minutes away. Deals have to happen soon... and talks probably need to already be underway. So, I think it's unlikely Greinke gets moved, unless someone throws a desperate offer at the Brewers, knowing full well that Greinke's probably going to hit the FA market if he's traded... and that means no comp pick for potentially losing him. Right now, I don't think Greinke's that big of a player on the trade market due to all of this.

What I kind of think is happening with Atlanta is that they are hoping that Dempster approves the trade. However, they aren't simply waiting on hold for him. If they offered Delgado for Dempster, why wouldn't they offer a similar or stronger package for someone like Shields or Vargas? Apparently, the Dodgers are at least listening to the Cubs now in terms of Dempster. I hope the rumors are true that Hoyer is asking for Webster plus. Though I believe that Webster and Reed would not equal Delgado plus... it would still be one hell of a haul for Dempster. Also, I think the window being allowed to teams to try to extend Dempster is a good thing, even if it may stall things. It will make him more than a rental, which means his trade value will rise.

The thing that makes me nervous is that we're hearing almost nothing in regards of Garza and Maholm. I kind of think that the FO is waiting to see what happens with Greinke to do something with Garza. If Greinke is traded, or appears to be on the verge of being traded, the FO will get moving on doing the same with Garza. If Greinke re-ups or does not get traded, I have the suspicion that Garza stays and gets extended or moved in the off season. Reason being, I just get the notion that the FO will go after Greinke kind of hard if he hits the FA market after being traded, since they won't lose their 2nd round pick if they sign him. Their first round pick should be protected. I can kind of understand why Maholm isn't being discussed. If you look at how great he's been this year... and understand how little he's being paid... he might be the third best bargain in the MLB this year behind Dickey and Capuano. Having the track record of back-to-back strong years... $6.5M for next year is a pretty safe bargain too.

 

[dabynsky]

I think Greinke knows he is going to get a ton on the market and that is why he hasn't signed, and the Brewers realize this now. I think the Braves are the most likely to get Greinke given that I think the Brewers will eventually settle for Delgado plus as opposed to Teheran that are demanding right now. Rangers could be interesting if they were going to part with Martin Perez and Mike Olt.

The reason I say the price is going to be ridiculous is because of the other deals or proposed deals for rentals. If Anibal Sanchez can get Jacob Turner (granted other pieces involved) and Demspter can get Randall Delgado, someone is going to pony up for the impact level arm that Greinke is, even with all of his questions.

 

[brett05]

Can't really be mad at Dempster.

DING!! Anyone that boos Dempster that is a Cub Fan is pathetic. He earned and exercised his rights that he fairly earned. I told you all this would happen

 

[dabynsky]

http://mlbbuzz.yardbarker.com/blog/mlbbuzz/article/the_dempster_stalemate_and_why_its_bad_for_the_cubs/11305519?new_post=true

Article for Rosenthal that pretty much sums up all the things we've been talking about the crappy situation the Cubs have been put in by Dempster exercising his rights.

 

[dabynsky]

•The Cubs are running out of desirable choices as they consider their next move, Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports reports. The Cubs could keep Dempster and make him a qualifying offer after the season, but one executive says there’s “no way” the Cubs would make such an offer because the risk isn’t worth the reward.
•One executive wondered if the Cubs might offer Dempster $1MM to go to Atlanta if the Braves are willing to surrender considerably more than the Dodgers, Joel Sherman of the New York Post writes (Twitter links). Someone like Randall Delgado might be worth enough to make up for the one-time cost of $1MM.
•Dempster and Matt Garza are seen as more likely trade options for the Dodgers than James Shields, Danny Knobler of CBSSports.com reports (on Twitter).
•The possibility of the Cubs and Dodgers completing a deal involving Dempster remains in limbo, Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports reports (on Twitter).

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/07/ryan-dempster-rumors-thursday-1.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

 

[2SeamHeat]

I wonder if it might be possible to switch gears with Atlanta. Instead of waiting on Dempster, maybe offer up Garza. Make an offer for something like Delgado, JR Graham, and Sean Gilmartin.

 

[Rice Cube]

I wonder if it might be possible to switch gears with Atlanta. Instead of waiting on Dempster, maybe offer up Garza. Make an offer for something like Delgado, JR Graham, and Sean Gilmartin.

I like that idea but I guess it depends on how healthy Garza is if he's allowed to start on Monday.

 

[dabynsky]

Braves have never shown that much interest in Garza. All the talk has been Dempster or Greinke for the Braves. I don't think the Braves are really looking for an arm for next season, but just something for a run this year. Could be wrong about that, but they just have never really been linked to Garza or Liriano for that matter.