Ryan Dempster trade thread -UPDATE- No one knows what the **** is going on

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Im still confused on why Randall Delgado excites people. yeah he is young, but he isnt very good...yet.
 

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Im still confused on why Randall Delgado excites people. yeah he is young, but he isnt very good...yet.

Well given that in your eyes Dempster wasn't worth Jordan Danks, I think we were right to be excited about adding a top 100 prospect with the upside of a 3 that can be plugged into the rotation right now at age 22. He isn't a guarantee, but the experts liked him a lot as a good pitcher middle of the rotation starter. That was a hell of a return. And more than one source said that the deal was Delgado plus, the plus not being as good as Delgado obviously.
 

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Well given that in your eyes Dempster wasn't worth Jordan Danks, I think we were right to be excited about adding a top 100 prospect with the upside of a 3 that can be plugged into the rotation right now at age 22. He isn't a guarantee, but the experts liked him a lot as a good pitcher middle of the rotation starter. That was a hell of a return. And more than one source said that the deal was Delgado plus, the plus not being as good as Delgado obviously.

if the sox were in the NL than I would do it.
 

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Delgado is a more exciting player than the Cubs will get in a LA trade and he will start in the majors now. I'm not on Webster and Lee bandwagon, not a fan of eiter. Even tho the Cubs won't get either...
 

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Apparently Heyman is reporting the Cubs offered Dempster-Soriano package to the Dodgers:
#cubs proposed dempster-soriano package to #dodgers as alternative to just demp. so far not happening.
 

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I wonder how fast the Dodgers laughed and hung up.
 

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I think it may be a work in progress, if the Dodgers can't acquire an OF... doubtful, but you never know...
 

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Johnson: Teams backed off because of pirce and healthy reasons.
Looks like the same thing is happening to Garza.

sorry. spec is a spec. lahair is a spec, all be it a career minor leaguer still a spec. when they play in the minors and never really had a shot at the majors, they are still specs. this is semantics thats all.
Right. LaHair totally didn't have a shot, that's why he was an all-star this year

they.were.our.specs.playing.on.the.mlb.squad. something the cubs are trying to do.
Key word. Were. After playing for years on the MLB team they aren't specs anymore

Im still confused on why Randall Delgado excites people. yeah he is young, but he isnt very good...yet.
Key word. Yet. That's the whole point of acquiring him now cheap.


Okay I'm done, y'all can continue the Dempster talk now :lol:
 

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Teams are still calling on Garza unlike JJ. Both are healthy reasons, but Garza's in't too bad and Johnson's pass hurts him. It didn't help that he got knocked around in his last start. The Cubs aren't asking for 3 of the teams top 'spect. They want one top one and other mid-level spects or 2/3 top 10 'spects.

It's doubtful either pitcher will be traded, tho.
 

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you honestly have no clue. i suggest you stop following baseball. heres our specs: beckham, ramirez, viciedo, morel, de aza, jones, reed, sale, quintana, flowers, septimo, jordan danks......all on the mlb roster, all in first place. but hey you have zero pitching depth and josh vitters, brett jackson, baez, and rizzo...better hope all specs pan out. oh and the cubs are a middle of the pack farm just an fyi.


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Let's go player by player on the Sox's "prospects"

Gordon Beckham: Beckham has been a massive disappointment in the majors. He was supposed to be a disciplined hitter who could hit for a high average and hit for power. Carrer ISO of .134, O-Swing% of 33.5% this season after being 37% last season which is bad.

Alexei Ramirez: Already have Castro. He could move to 2nd but he was horrible defensively when he played 2nd in 2008. -5 DRS, -7 UZR, -9.3 UZR/150.

Viciedo: A power hitting OF who will always be below average defensively and doesn't walk at all and has little plate discipline. 41.2 O-Swing% and a 13.2 F-Strike% is bad.

Morel: Below average offensively,couldn't take a walk if his life depended on it, little power, but is a good defender.

De Aza: Cubs have a lot of CF prospects in the minors. No need and I doubt they'd want him either. Also like it has been stated he's 28. Not a prospect

Jones: Reliever w/ spotty control but he can throw hard and has a great curveball. Okay he's a good prospect not a great one.

Septimo: Lefty specialist

Jordan Danks: See De Aza. Danks also strikes out a lot is probably no more than a 4th outfielder.

Addison Reed: Closers are replaceable. But he's a solid reliever.

Sale: Great young pitcher.

Quintana: Back of the rotation pitcher who relies on good command to pitch effectively w/ his average stuff.

Flowers: Strikeout machine and a bad defensive catcher.
 
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Let's go player by player on the Sox's "prospects"

Gordon Beckham: Beckham has been a massive disappointment in the majors. He was supposed to be a disciplined hitter who could hit for a high average and hit for power. Carrer ISO of .134, O-Swing% of 33.5% this season after being 37% last season which is bad.

Alexei Ramirez: Already have Castro. He could move to 2nd but he was horrible defensively when he played 2nd in 2008. -5 DRS, -7 UZR, -9.3 UZR/150

Viciedo: A power hitting OF who will always be below average defensively and doesn't walk at all and has little plate discipline. 41.2 O-Swing% and a 13.2 F-Strike% is bad.

Morel: Below average offensively,couldn't take a walk if his life depended on it, little power, but is a good defender.

De Aza: Cubs have a lot of CF prospects in the minors. No need and I doubt they'd want him either.

Jones: Reliever w/ spotty control but he can throw hard and has a great curveball. Okay he's a good prospect not a great one.

Septimo: Lefty specialist

Jordan Danks: See De Aza.

For a 1 year rental I would never give up Beckham, De Aza, Ramirez or the 23 year old who cant take a walk in Viciedo.

Are you really using UZR? Out of all the Metrics in the world UZR is the worst by a wide margain. Even the casual fans that think they are smarter going with metrics are NOT using UZR anymore.

All those guys you just decided to break down in a horrible fashion are all starters on a 1st place team except (septimo...who will be sent down, and Danks)

Who would want de aza? I mean real leadoff hitter who is in a slump and is still at .278/.345/.747 <<< yeah that sucks. :rolleyes:

Ramirez is 100x better at defense than Castro. Your fellow Cub fans here will tell you that. Are you high? you would move Ramirez to 2nd base, use UZR and UZR from 2008 and keep Castro at SS???? WHAT!?

You are starting to enter CO territory. I suggest you comment on the Bears because this baseball thing, yeah, its not working out for you.
 

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I know UZR sucks, that's why the first stat I used was DRS. And I'm nowhere near the homer that CO was. Also Castro is at 13 DRS this season, Ramirez is at 5. Hell every defensive stat has Castro better than Ramirez defensively this season.
 
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I know UZR sucks, that's why the first stat I used was DRS. And I'm nowhere near the homer that CO was. Also Castro is at 13 DRS this season, Ramirez is at 5. Hell every defensive stat has Castro better than Ramirez defensively this season.

What!?!?! Every baseball moron would still take Ramirez and his defense over Castro. Are you kidding me?

DRS is just as Bad! I cant take anymore. its midnight and someone just said castro is a better defender than Ramirez.
 

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I know UZR sucks, that's why the first stat I used was DRS.

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I know UZR sucks, that's why the first stat I used was DRS.

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Ramirez is one of the best defensive shortstops in baseball, bro.
 

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Back to things that actually relate to the topic of the thread. T Brown of yahoo sports says the Cubs and Dodgers are still talking Dempster and Rosenthal says Dempster and Soriano is still being discussed.
 

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Has anyone read the Trib the apst few days. I believe it is Phil Rogers that has been proposing trades and thinks Soriano plus $22 million (leaving the new team with $14 mil) would get the Cubs three solid prospects including an alleged top 50. :smh:
 
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