Ryan Dempster trade thread -UPDATE- No one knows what the **** is going on

[dabynsky]

you honestly have no clue. i suggest you stop following baseball. heres our specs: beckham, ramirez, viciedo, morel, de aza, jones, reed, sale, quintana, flowers, septimo, jordan danks......all on the mlb roster, all in first place. but hey you have zero pitching depth and josh vitters, brett jackson, baez, and rizzo...better hope all specs pan out. oh and the cubs are a middle of the pack farm just an fyi.


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How about Kevin Goldstein who also think you guys have no impact level prospects? And I love you telling someone to get a clue when calling a 28 year old and 30 year old prospects.

Seriously instead ranting about the farm systems which the Cubs have a better one by every objective analysis and one that according to Goldstein just a few nights ago has been vastly improved in the past year how about we focus on the topic at hand. And that is the Cubs could get a lot for Ryan Dempster given how the market is playing out, but that is only if Dempster doesn't steer this to the Dodgers and no one else.

 

[DewsSox79]

How about Kevin Goldstein who also think you guys have no impact level prospects? And I love you telling someone to get a clue when calling a 28 year old and 30 year old prospects.

Seriously instead ranting about the farm systems which the Cubs have a better one by every objective analysis and one that according to Goldstein just a few nights ago has been vastly improved in the past year how about we focus on the topic at hand. And that is the Cubs could get a lot for Ryan Dempster given how the market is playing out, but that is only if Dempster doesn't steer this to the Dodgers and no one else.

still a spec whether they are old or not. now for goldstein and prospect :fap: ing....thats grrrrrreat! il take the mlb team being in 1st place than having some cool specs. the cubs are middle of the pack in the farm, they will never be tops in the farm ( i know theoism ) because the cubs have no one outside of garza and demp that would get you anything descent. some of you forget that, where r the specs going to come from??? all the draft??? please... yet you think you can be competitive soon. unreal. il take bad farm over bad mlb team all day long.


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[dabynsky]

still a spec whether they are old or not. now for goldstein and prospect :fap: ing....thats grrrrrreat! il take the mlb team being in 1st place than having some cool specs. the cubs are middle of the pack in the farm, they will never be tops in the farm ( i know theoism ) because the cubs have no one outside of garza and demp that would get you anything descent. some of you forget that, where r the specs going to come from??? all the draft??? please... yet you think you can be competitive soon. unreal. il take bad farm over bad mlb team all day long.


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Really a 30 year old with 4 years of service time counts as a prospect?

You really have to get a clue yourself about the situation here. You want to sit here and say that the Cubs can't build a farm system quickly and yet many objective people have talked about the huge strides the system has already taken. The rest of your rant about my team is in first place is great and all, but has zero to do with the discussion here.

 

[Anno Catuli]

I still think he gets traded before the deadline. Might not get the big prize we wanted, but maybe we can get something better now that some of the bigger and better pitchers are off the board. A team could get desperate.

 

[DewsSox79]

Really a 30 year old with 4 years of service time counts as a prospect?

You really have to get a clue yourself about the situation here. You want to sit here and say that the Cubs can't build a farm system quickly and yet many objective people have talked about the huge strides the system has already taken. The rest of your rant about my team is in first place is great and all, but has zero to do with the discussion here.

Taken great strides? really? What because of Soler and Rizzo? Great! I am objective, doesnt mean I have to :fap: to the farm which is still middle of the pack and will have to be built soley on the draft. Again, outside of demp and garza the MLB roster has nothing to offer to obtain top specs. I know as a fan you have no choice but to go with the program, but you dont have to fall into the love affair with it either. its ok to say bad things about your team, it really is.

as far as de aza. he has played 237 games in the big leagues. -97 this year and when he came up with us last year -54 but service time and stuffz and he is 28....

 

[DewsSox79]

you honestly have no clue. i suggest you stop following baseball. heres our specs: beckham, ramirez, viciedo, morel, de aza, jones, reed, sale, quintana, flowers, septimo, jordan danks......all on the mlb roster, all in first place.

Cubsneedmiracle: Bolded are the only ones that are worth half a shit.

Otherwise you're just talking random players that come up all the time.

So De Aza and jones suck? good to know that you are part of the baseball stupid.

 

[dabynsky]

Taken great strides? really? What because of Soler and Rizzo? Great! I am objective, doesnt mean I have to :fap: to the farm which is still middle of the pack and will have to be built soley on the draft. Again, outside of demp and garza the MLB roster has nothing to offer to obtain top specs. I know as a fan you have no choice but to go with the program, but you dont have to fall into the love affair with it either. its ok to say bad things about your team, it really is.

as far as de aza. he has played 237 games in the big leagues. -97 this year and when he came up with us last year -54 but service time and stuffz and he is 28....

Calling De Aza a prospect is like calling Brian LaHair a prosepct, and seriously you mention two guys that are over 28 years (De Aza and Ramirez) and two players who haven't played in the minors full time in four years (Beckham and Ramirez). The point is that you wanted to throw a big fit because a Cub fan dared to question that the Sox would have enough to acquire Ryan Dempster which is true unless Dempster steers this to the White Sox and Theo/Jed cave on their demands. The market for rental pitchers that are pitching well this season are beyond what the White Sox have to offer (because the most valuable pieces they can trade aren't tradeable because they are going for it this year).

The rest of this has nothing to do with Ryan Dempster, his value and ultimately where he is pitching on July 31st. If we really want to talk about the plan and the strengths of weaknesses of the superior to the White Sox farm system that the Cubs currently have there are plenty of other threads to do it.

 

[dabynsky]

you honestly have no clue. i suggest you stop following baseball. heres our specs: beckham, ramirez, viciedo, morel, de aza, jones, reed, sale, quintana, flowers, septimo, jordan danks......all on the mlb roster, all in first place.




So De Aza and jones suck? good to know that you are part of the baseball stupid.

I would suggest that you need to learn what a prospect is because your list includes players that doesn't fit the definition of a prospect by any other reasonable baseball person.

 

[DewsSox79]

I would suggest that you need to learn what a prospect is because your list includes players that doesn't fit the definition of a prospect by any other reasonable baseball person.

sorry. spec is a spec. lahair is a spec, all be it a career minor leaguer still a spec. when they play in the minors and never really had a shot at the majors, they are still specs. this is semantics thats all.

 

[dabynsky]

sorry. spec is a spec. lahair is a spec, all be it a career minor leaguer still a spec. when they play in the minors and never really had a shot at the majors, they are still specs. this is semantics thats all.

If playing time in the majors is the determining factor of being a prospect than Chris Sale, Gordon Beckham and Alexei Ramirez aren't prospects.

 

[Gunzaan]

What does all the farm system/prospect talk matter?? I saw this thread and decided to read it to get some info on when/where Dempster might actually get traded... I also wanted to see what some Cubs fans thought about this whole process. From an outside view, it seems like they kind of fucked it up and should have dealt him a lot sooner and actually gotten something from it (of course, there are still some days left so that could be wrong!).

Instead, I'm reading a pissing match about the Cubs vs. Sox farm system, which is silly. The Cubs obviously have some good potential not on the major league club. Obviously, they are trying to bolster that potential even more, but seemingly having a tough time doing it on the Garza/Dempster front. Going into the season, the Cubs weren't going to compete this year, so who cares about that stuff?

 

[dabynsky]

What does all the farm system/prospect talk matter?? I saw this thread and decided to read it to get some info on when/where Dempster might actually get traded... I also wanted to see what some Cubs fans thought about this whole process. From an outside view, it seems like they kind of fucked it up and should have dealt him a lot sooner and actually gotten something from it (of course, there are still some days left so that could be wrong!).

Instead, I'm reading a pissing match about the Cubs vs. Sox farm system, which is silly. The Cubs obviously have some good potential not on the major league club. Obviously, they are trying to bolster that potential even more, but seemingly having a tough time doing it on the Garza/Dempster front. Going into the season, the Cubs weren't going to compete this year, so who cares about that stuff?

Well the issue is where does Dempster want to go. Theo and Jed played it perfectly in terms of getting haul given what they got from the Braves being far more than what most thought they could get. If Dempster is going to force it to LA the Cubs are screwed in terms of a haul. If Dempster is willing to go elsewhere they could get some nice pieces still, not Delgado good but good.

 

[Rice Cube]

Dempster is in limbo because of 10/5 and some weird PR and Garza is out of action until after the deadline. The Cubs didn't have a lot of tradeable assets to begin with and so this is basically the worst-case scenario right now as this would be the second trade deadline in a row the Cubs have been forced to stand pat if nothing happens within the next 48 hours.

 

[Gunzaan]

Well the issue is where does Dempster want to go. Theo and Jed played it perfectly in terms of getting haul given what they got from the Braves being far more than what most thought they could get. If Dempster is going to force it to LA the Cubs are screwed in terms of a haul. If Dempster is willing to go elsewhere they could get some nice pieces still, not Delgado good but good.

Are the Dodgers probably done trading for people after the recent moves they have made?

 

[dabynsky]

Dempster is in limbo because of 10/5 and some weird PR and Garza is out of action until after the deadline. The Cubs didn't have a lot of tradeable assets to begin with and so this is basically the worst-case scenario right now as this would be the second trade deadline in a row the Cubs have been forced to stand pat if nothing happens within the next 48 hours.

I would hope the Cubs move some of their secondary pieces like the Stros have been able to with Maholm, Johnson, Baker, Camp, and a few others have value. Nothing amazing, but getting depth like the Stros would be nice at this point.

 

[DewsSox79]

If playing time in the majors is the determining factor of being a prospect than Chris Sale, Gordon Beckham and Alexei Ramirez aren't prospects.

they.were.our.specs.playing.on.the.mlb.squad. something the cubs are trying to do.

 

[dabynsky]

Are the Dodgers probably done trading for people after the recent moves they have made?

They need a starter. The problem is they know they are in the driver seat for Demp so they are lowballing the Cubs on the offer. However, if they can't and Johnson or Shields perhaps they up the offer for Demp. Or maybe Demp is willing to consider other options once Theo and Jed exhaust the Dodgers option. It isn't looking good for the Cubs, but it isn't hopeless.

 

[dabynsky]

they.were.our.specs.playing.on.the.mlb.squad. something the cubs are trying to do.

not.the.point.when.talking.about.what.the.sox.can.deal.from.their.farm.

 

[whitesoxman77]

Okay let's seriously end this Alexei Ramirez being a spec talk. He has been in the majors for four years he hasn't been a spec since. '08

 

[Rice Cube]

It might depend on how they do against the Giants today. One game back, a win today would tie the NL West. Hopefully the Giants make them sweat a bit