Schefter - Bagent Time? EDIT: vets request Bagent, failed CTE test BAGENTMAINA TAKES OVER CHICAGO

[Myk]

Devil's Advocate here.

And this is only provided that Caleb can be a big boy about this. You meet with Caleb and tell him Bagent is starting for a game. Maybe this allows Caleb to see something, anything he might not be seeing. It's a shot in the dark but at this point it can't hurt anything but Caleb's ego. If Bagent comes in and gets the same slaughtering, you fire Eberfluss right after the game and you work on ways for Caleb to protect himself so he doesn't get seriously injured and you move forward.

The current plan isn't working. And starting Bagent is pure desperation. But it's worth trying anything at this point.


ninja edit---Caleb is the starter per Elmerfuddst

It may not hurt anything but likewise it wouldn't help anything.
There is nothing for the UDFA to teach the #1. If that's what you wanted you keep Fields to teach the rookie (and he could've taught him that the Bears are where QBs come to die).

If you want to teach Williams anything Bagent could show call the freaking game you'd call for Bagent. It's that easy.
Say it with me, 1 2 dump, 1 2 dump, 1 2 dump, dump, dump, dump, 1 2 dump. It's not too hard for the #1 to grasp if that's the only choice he's given in the calls.

You teach rookies with long term proven vets not 2nd year UDFAs.

 

[Rise]

This is the Bears PR sending out feelers. They are so pathetic.

 

[TheEarlofRobin]

It may not hurt anything but likewise it wouldn't help anything.
There is nothing for the UDFA to teach the #1. If that's what you wanted you keep Fields to teach the rookie (and he could've taught him that the Bears are where QBs come to die).

If you want to teach Williams anything Bagent could show call the freaking game you'd call for Bagent. It's that easy.
Say it with me, 1 2 dump, 1 2 dump, 1 2 dump, dump, dump, dump, 1 2 dump. It's not too hard for the #1 to grasp if that's the only choice he's given in the calls.

You teach rookies with long term proven vets not 2nd year UDFAs.

Wow, how elitist. NFL defenses don't really care if you are an UDFA or a #1. Not sure why that is an issue.

 

[DaaBears]

The emotions by some on here every time somebody brings up the Bears 2nd quarterback is way beyond comprehension.

 

[sevvy]

The QB isn't the problem. Anyone with half a brain knows that. The problems are all at a higher level than QB.

 

[Rustysurf83]

As much as Schefter is a somewhat respected, reliable source, this is just plain stupid talk. You dont bench your #1 pick in his first season, mid season when there are 1000 other factor involved. Let's get some consistent play calling first of all. Let's start with that. Too much money is secured for Caleb so benching him makes. 0 sense.

Let’s also take a deep breath. They’re going to likely lose every remaining game but…they’re currently 4-5 and CW has already set franchise rookie records. It’s not like they’re 0-9 and the kid is averaging 90YPG. The Bears are completely incompetent but I don’t know if even they are THAT incompetent. It really would be absolute unprecedented organizational dysfunction at all levels to bench your top overall pick 10 games in before making a change at OC for a guy that has come up with some absolutely horrible schemes and decisions.

 

[Myk]

Wow, how elitist. NFL defenses don't really care if you are an UDFA or a #1. Not sure why that is an issue.

Oh, so you think Bagent is the next Tom Brady? Fine, after he wins 7 Super Bowls THEN he could teach a #1 draft pick. As a 2nd year UDFA who managed to do designed dump offs but failed at anything longer he has nothing. That you still can't understand the play calling that went on with Bagent is laughable.

You've already proven yourself to be a complete football idiot but this takes the cake.

Treating Williams like Bagent wouldn't be a bad thing but he's not going to learn that from the bench.

 

[Szlachcic]

I'm all for Caleb to start, but wouldn't oppose starting Bagent. Bagent does get rid of ball pretty good last year although for five yards only, something Caleb can't do that for some odd reason..

 

[PhilEBuster]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1856032756846743915

Nice knowing y'all.

I think this may need to be done to save Williams from being destroyed by the pathetic offensive line and terrible scheme. THAT'S how bad this whole thing has become.

Truthfully, though, there's nothing to gain from this other than Eberflus trying to pin the blame for the offense on Williams. If Bagent comes in and has some measure of success, the fingers will point to Williams. Will the Bears really allow Eberflus to try to do that? You don't take a "generational talent" and then turn on him after 9 games.

This whole thing is completely out of control.

 

[Yogi]

The emotions by some on here every time somebody brings up the Bears 2nd quarterback is way beyond comprehension.

It's delusional to think people's reaction to this has anything to do with Bagent, rather than everything to do with the Bears holding a lighter to a winning lottery ticket.

 

[TheEarlofRobin]

The QB isn't the problem. Anyone with half a brain knows that. The problems are all at a higher level than QB.

The QB isn't the problem....but Tyson Bagent is low key The Solution.

 

[TheEarlofRobin]

and CW has already set franchise rookie records.

WTF is this? Did CW break Paddy Driscoll's records from 1920?

 

[knoxville7]

If they do this, I’m absolutely done. The fact that is even being mildly considered is mind numbing. You’re going to bench a rookie QB 10 games in because the HC and OC are completely incompetent? This would be a new low for the organization.

you must be new here

 

[DaaBears]

It's delusional to think people's reaction to this has anything to do with Bagent, rather than the Bears holding a lighter to a winning lottery ticket.

The Bears happen to have 2 QBs on the roster, one is 23, one is 24. Nobody really knows the potential of either. Personally, we have seen Caleb for 9 games. Let's see Bagent with all these same variables. If it sucks as bad, fire from GM down to OL coach. No emotion from me, at all

 

[TheEarlofRobin]

It's delusional to think people's reaction to this has anything to do with Bagent, rather than everything to do with the Bears holding a lighter to a winning lottery ticket.

If the offense continues to produce 3-9 points on a weekly basis, the Bears will be getting another winning lottery ticket at the end of the year to replace the one they torched.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Bears fans will believe anything apparently.

Flus shooting this down was the most definitive I heard him all week.

 

[Myk]

The Bears happen to have 2 QBs on the roster, one is 23, one is 24. Nobody really knows the potential of either. Personally, we have seen Caleb for 9 games. Let's see Bagent with all these same variables. If it sucks as bad, fire from GM down to OL coach. No emotion from me, at all

Same as Bagent last year, you don't call the same game when he comes in. It is meaningless.

I've seen them call the short game for Williams and it worked better than it did for the one trick pony Bagent. That is absolutely what they need to do for Williams.
Whether it's him big game hunting (which we knew) or the play caller take the big game away for most of the calls.

 

[TheEarlofRobin]

Oh, so you think Bagent is the next Tom Brady? Fine, after he wins 7 Super Bowls THEN he could teach a #1 draft pick. As a 2nd year UDFA who managed to do designed dump offs but failed at anything longer he has nothing. That you still can't understand the play calling that went on with Bagent is laughable.

You've already proven yourself to be a complete football idiot but this takes the cake.

Treating Williams like Bagent wouldn't be a bad thing but he's not going to learn that from the bench.

Yes, that is what I said verbatim. You nailed it. Bagent = Brady. Caleb = Bledsoe. Eberfuls = Belichick. Virginia = Kraft

 

[MDB111™]

It may not hurt anything but likewise it wouldn't help anything.
There is nothing for the UDFA to teach the #1. If that's what you wanted you keep Fields to teach the rookie (and he could've taught him that the Bears are where QBs come to die).

If you want to teach Williams anything Bagent could show call the freaking game you'd call for Bagent. It's that easy.
Say it with me, 1 2 dump, 1 2 dump, 1 2 dump, dump, dump, dump, 1 2 dump. It's not too hard for the #1 to grasp if that's the only choice he's given in the calls.

You teach rookies with long term proven vets not 2nd year UDFAs.

I don't buy the notion Caleb can't learn anything. He is not the golden boy folks initially thought. He hasn't made anyone around him better. Will he, in time? Possibly. But right now he is out there getting raped. It isn't pretty and it's laughable. The season isn't over and this would at least seal the fate of Waldron whomst you could blast off into the sun after the GB game.

The next step with this current game planning is Caleb Williams getting injured. And he will get injured.

 

[Rustysurf83]

The Bears happen to have 2 QBs on the roster, one is 23, one is 24. Nobody really knows the potential of either. Personally, we have seen Caleb for 9 games. Let's see Bagent with all these same variables. If it sucks as bad, fire from GM down to OL coach. No emotion from me, at all

This is actually part of the problem. It’s a roster management issue. Maybe Bagent has some potential, who knows? But in no situation should an NFL team have gone into the season with a top overall pick rookie QB and a 2nd year UDFA QB. They should’ve signed some NFL journeyman type that could actually provide any semblance of mentorship to CW. There’s zero point to having Bagent as the backup on the sidelines every week. It doesn’t help his development and it certainly doesn’t help the development on the guy you just spent the first round pick on.