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That pretty much shows you didn't watch either of them play.

Hill was most definitely a high flyer, and was a better rebounder, and passer than Pippen. Hill has made some passes Pip couldn't dream about. The rebounding is clear as day in how they play and the numbers.

Hill's best season in 2000 trumps guys like Rose and Durant. There's no way that Pippen was a better player around 1992-1993.

Sorry kid. Do your homework.

The sad thing is it's clear that most you've seen of Pippen were videos on youtube of him dunking on Ewing and in the dunk contest.
Lol hill wasn't an above the rim player. And those were some of the gayest dunks I've ever seen. I love the way hill has to turn his body to shield the ball. I guess paul pierce is a high flyer to.Pippen was most definately a better finisher

And id take pippen 94 statline over hills 00 statline

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22/9/6/3/1 with legendary defense


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And YT search "scottie pippen dunks on mutombo"

You won't find a video of that happening.

Ironically, the first video that pops of on that search page is ANOTHER Grant Hill dunk.

So you have to dunk on mutombo to be considered a high flyer?
 

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Lol hill wasn't an above the rim player. And those were some of the gayest dunks I've ever seen. I love the way hill has to turn his body to shield the ball. I guess paul pierce is a high flyer to.Pippen was most definately a better finisher

And id take pippen 94 statline over hills 00 statline

Scottie Pippen
22/9/6/3/1 with legendary defense


Grant Hill
26/7/5/1/1 and solid defense

this whole post...especially the paragraph:obama:
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ETA: Grant was an exceptional athlete....most of his shots early in his career and even still come from mid range and going to the rim...before his injury he was a high riser...not like jordan or lebron...but saying he wasnt an above the rim player shows you really never saw him...watch some tapes of him as well as tapes of him at duke....
 
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this whole post...especially the paragraph:obama:
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ETA: Grant was an exceptional athlete....most of his shots early in his career and even still come from mid range and going to the rim...before his injury he was a high riser...not like jordan or lebron...but saying he wasnt an above the rim player shows you really never saw him...watch some tapes of him as well as tapes of him at duke....

Ii didn't say he wasn't an exceptional athlete. I said he wasn't a highflyer. His biggest strength was his quickness. He had an amazing first step. But he wasn't the type of big hangtime type players. When I think of above the rim players, I think of guys like jordan, pippen, drexler, james, wade guys like that. This is the nba. Getting dunked on isn't out of the norm cuz everyone is an excetional athelete
 

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I understand your view.
You obviously never did. Your posts made that clear.




Oh yeah and hills one championship in college, is a far bigger accomplishment than pippen six championships in the pro ranks.
Still not getting it. Your inability to track and follow conversdations or even understand what the hell is going on is a joke.

What you call discrediting Pippen is what I call crediting Hill.
Still can't understand how he isn't getting this.

The fact that 97Bulls is saying that Hill wasn't an above the rim player proves tome that he is either : 13 years old or never watched Hill play before he got hurt. There's no other way to excuse or explain it really.

Outside of posting stats from a few players everything he has said is either factually, logically, or rationally incorrect.
 

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Ii didn't say he wasn't an exceptional athlete. I said he wasn't a highflyer. His biggest strength was his quickness. He had an amazing first step. But he wasn't the type of big hangtime type players. When I think of above the rim players, I think of guys like jordan, pippen, drexler, james, wade guys like that. This is the nba. Getting dunked on isn't out of the norm cuz everyone is an excetional athelete

Grant was definitely a high riser...but jordan drexler lebron wade...those guys are at the top of the top...pippen should not be on that list...he was a great athlete but he isnt on the first tier level...i'd say grant and pippen are pretty close in athleticism...but i may give the slight edge to hill....and no not everyone in the nba is an exceptional athlete...although you need to be somewhat athletic to do well in the nba unless you are a lumbering big guy or a spot up shooter....

grant was quick,strong, and could definitely get above the rim....you are really downplaying how all around skilled grant was...and if you do not think he was a high riser...go look at tapes...again...simple
 

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You obviously never did. Your posts made that clear.





Still not getting it. Your inability to track and follow conversdations or even understand what the hell is going on is a joke.


Still can't understand how he isn't getting this.

The fact that 97Bulls is saying that Hill wasn't an above the rim player proves tome that he is either : 13 years old or never watched Hill play before he got hurt. There's no other way to excuse or explain it really.

Outside of posting stats from a few players everything he has said is either factually, logically, or rationally incorrect.

Lol im 37 yrs old. If I was 13, do you really think id be sitting here going back and forth about grant friggn hill?

And I understand your view. I just disagree with it. I've even reiterated your view. You feel pippen was better but hill could've or would've been better had he not missed half his prime due to injuries. I just disagree. You've showed no facts to support this claim. I've shown multiple to support my view. Ive shown you what he did when he did come back, I've shown you that just cuz he score an avg of 26 ppg doesn't mean he could've continued that same consistancy based on other players that scored similar to him.

You refuse to admit that pippen spent his prime behind jordan. Which hindered his statistical production. But somehow 22/9/7 is the best pippen would've ever achieved statistically. But hill would've been better? Your a hater. I ask you about their defense and you play the shits and giggles card? And im the 13 yr old? Come on

And you refuse to acknowledge the clear and dominant advantage pippen has over hill defensively. Am I saying hill was a bad defender? NO!. But they're not on the same level defensively. You even show your hate more when you wont/refuse to say this. Hill never sniffed an all defense selection. I wouldn't even rank hill ahead of eddie jones defensively.

You also must understand you and ramithesocalledbullsfan are comming from seperate points of view. He feels hill was better regardless of prime. Not that pippen was a bad player mind you, but not quite better than hill cuz pippen didn't avg 26 ppg in 94. And he's another that feels hill and pippen are similar defensively. But offensively, hill is clearly superior cuz he (say it with me) avg 26 ppg in 00. Even though throughout the rest of their respective careers, they're offensive output is very similar. With a slight edge to hill. But the fact that hill avg 21 ppg as a number 1 option over 5 years and pippen 20 over 7 as a second option is null and void. Cuz pippen didn't avg 26 ppg in 94. And hill would've scored more ppg if he didn't have to share the ball with jerry stackhouse even though pippen played with an even bigger and more efficient ball hog in jordan.

Now I've summarized your and the ramis point of view. But you guys obviously don't understand mine.
 

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Grant was definitely a high riser...but jordan drexler lebron wade...those guys are at the top of the top...pippen should not be on that list...he was a great athlete but he isnt on the first tier level...i'd say grant and pippen are pretty close in athleticism...but i may give the slight edge to hill....and no not everyone in the nba is an exceptional athlete...although you need to be somewhat athletic to do well in the nba unless you are a lumbering big guy or a spot up shooter....

grant was quick,strong, and could definitely get above the rim....you are really downplaying how all around skilled grant was...and if you do not think he was a high riser...go look at tapes...again...simple

And this clown ^^^^^^^^^ doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.
 

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Lol hill wasn't an above the rim player. And those were some of the gayest dunks I've ever seen.

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The fact that you are 37 and using the word "***" as in place of "bad" tells me something.
 

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What the hell is this? Now you want to debate the term "***"? He went up like a girl. And I don't want to own you on homosexuality too. Let's just stick to basketball.

Basketball obviously isn't your forte. And I guess you must think Derrick Rose is a "girl" too seeing as he contorts his body in many of the same ways as Hill when he goes up for a dunk or lay-up.

The fact that you had to resort to calling something "***" to discredit it shows you don't know what you're talking about.
 

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Basketball obviously isn't your forte. And I guess you must think Derrick Rose is a "girl" too seeing as he contorts his body in many of the same ways as Hill when he goes up for a dunk or lay-up.

The fact that you had to resort to calling something "***" to discredit it shows you don't know what you're talking about.

I take back the "***" term. Let's just stick with basketball. How bout responding to the rest of my post.
 

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I take back the "***" term. Let's just stick with basketball. How bout responding to the rest of my post.

I already did. Countless times, you keep regurgitating the same sad story about per-game stats and how you feel as though based on how close they were in those specific statistics, you somehow think Pippen was better simply because he was better defensively. Even though Hill was also great defensively and considerably better offensively in all areas besides low-post game.

Defensive SFs are not all that far off from each other in terms of value. Do you think that there is much difference defensively from a guy like Ariza, Artest, Battier, Bowen, or Pippen? No. Hill was not far off from that anyway. Guys like Ben Wallace, Dwight Howard, Hakeem Olajuwon, and Dikembe Mutombo were the only guys who could dominate games with their defense alone. Pippen couldn't and neither could Hill. Offensively and rebounding is where Pippen and Hill were seperated. The fact that you think a guy who once proved he could average 10 rebounds per game isn't a better rebounder than Pippen shows exactly how you don't know what you are talking about.
 

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I already did. Countless times, you keep regurgitating the same sad story about per-game stats and how you feel as though based on how close they were in those specific statistics, you somehow think Pippen was better simply because he was better defensively. Even though Hill was also great defensively and considerably better offensively in all areas besides low-post game.

Defensive SFs are not all that far off from each other in terms of value. Do you think that there is much difference defensively from a guy like Ariza, Artest, Battier, Bowen, or Pippen? No. Hill was not far off from that anyway. Guys like Ben Wallace, Dwight Howard, Hakeem Olajuwon, and Dikembe Mutombo were the only guys who could dominate games with their defense alone. Pippen couldn't and neither could Hill. Offensively and rebounding is where Pippen and Hill were seperated. The fact that you think a guy who once proved he could average 10 rebounds per game isn't a better rebounder than Pippen shows exactly how you don't know what you are talking about.

Pippen dominated games defensively from the sf spot like a center. I think you never saw pippen play. Seeing as how you think guys like ariza are similar in defensive impact to pippen is just dumb.

And since when is a guy avg 10 rbds and a guy avg 9 rbds a considerable difference?
 

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Pippen dominated games defensively from the sf spot like a center. I think you never saw pippen play. Seeing as how you think guys like ariza are similar in defensive impact to pippen is just dumb.

And since when is a guy avg 10 rbds and a guy avg 9 rbds a considerable difference?

Pippen impacted games defensively like a shitty center. Not a good defensive center. His job was to defend the best wing on the floor and to play weak side defense. Jordan helped him out seeing as though he was almost as good as Scottie defensively. Those guys played off of each other; one guy allowed the other guy to help on defense. Usually it was Jordan who was the roamer and Pippen who was the lock-down guy. Other times it was vice versa.
 

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