Silva is the 5th Starter?

[Jntg4]

That's not at all what you said. You said if Silva does well it screws Cashner. So really you are concerned with Cashner more than the team.

And yes Cashner in the pen with Silva starting actually probably does make us better because they are similar as starters but Cashner is a better reliever.

So if you are looking at what's best for the Cubs if Silva is healthy this is what's best.

What's best for the Cubs is giving a good young player a chance, for he could be huge for them in the future.

If they were going to hand Silva the job no matter how bad he played or how well Cashner played (ERA under 4 is more than what could be expected out of either of them) in Spring Training, they shouldn't have sold it off as a competition and should have just let Cashner get ready to pitch from the pen.

 

[poodski]

And most of those were years ago. Burnett used to be good...

You do realize the only bad season he had was 2009 when he was hurt right?

Other than that been just fine.

Even 2008 he still pitched well despite the poor ERA.

 

[waldo7239117]

Silva will NOT be in the pen. Q does not like the idea and Silva is not too keen on the idea either. It's either rotation or "DL".. Release is the last resort. The Cubs do no want to do that.

 

[Jntg4]

Silva will NOT be in the pen. Q does not like the idea and Silva is not too keen on the idea either. It's either rotation or "DL".. Release is the last resort. The Cubs do no want to do that.

Waldo. It is rotation. Period.

 

[waldo7239117]

Waldo. It is rotation. Period.

I did say that but if he has a pathetic start tomorrow, that can change. The DL sounds like a good idea right now and is a viable option.

 

[Jntg4]

I did say that but if he has a pathetic start tomorrow, that can change. The DL sounds like a good idea right now and is a viable option.

It won't change just because of a pathetic start tomorrow. If they even cared about spring performances, Silva wouldn't have been handed that job.

Whole competition was BS. Cubs knew they were taking Wells and Silva from the very beginning.

 

[Jntg4]

ray: This report may be false. This was posted just minutes ago on ESPN. ray:

The battle for the Cubs’ fifth starter spot continued Tuesday – just eight days before the team is scheduled to break camp.

Carlos Silva is not yet out of the running to be in the Cubs' rotation.
Several weeks into the spring, no pitcher has risen above the others to claim the job. The next round of roster cuts could come as early as Thursday. One of the veterans still in consideration – Carlos Silva – will be the next pitcher to attempt to claim the rotation spot.
“Mr. Silva is starting against Oakland [on Wednesday],” Cubs manager Mike Quade said.

Silva has posted a 15.99 ERA for the spring to date. He has had issues both on and off the field and hasn’t had a good outing at any point. His best showing was a five-inning effort in which he surrendered four earned runs and two homers on March 12 against the Reds.

“I never count anybody out,” Quade said. “I’m anxious to see him pitch tomorrow. We still have some tough decisions. [We had] productive discussions today, nothing definitive. I have a lot to sleep or not to sleep on tonight. In the next couple of days, we got to get this thing down. The truck is leaving Sunday [for Chicago]. “

Right-hander Andrew Cashner had his chance to win the job outright on Monday. Cashner, however, couldn’t get over the hump. He allowed seven hits and four runs in three innings during a rainout in Tempe.

The third contender, veteran right-hander Braden Looper, surrendered eight runs in two innings in his last outing on Saturday. He remains the team’s third option for the vacant rotation spot.

Here are the three pitcher’s logs for spring training: Looper has pitched 10 2/3 innings, allowed 17 hits, 13 earned runs, 2 walks, 8 strikeouts, 3 homers and a 10.97 ERA; Silva has pitched 11 1/3 innings, 29 hits, 20 earned runs, 2 walks, 3 strikeouts, 4 homers and a 15.99 ERA; Cashner has pitched 11 1/3 innings, 11 hits, 5 earned runs, 7 walks, 6 strikeouts, 1 homer and a 3.97 ERA.

“I think people have had good outings,” Quade said. “But no one has been good start to finish battling for that fifth spot. No one battling for that spot has been consistent. That I will say.”

The title is important:
Cubs' fifth rotation spot still undecided - Chicago Cubs Blog - ESPN Chicago

 

[The Bandit]

After reading 5 pages of Jntg's hissy fit iwant Silva to start now. I'm not to high on Cashner anyways. Give Silva the job and hope he produces well enough thatwe can trade him. One year away isn't gonna kill Cashner hes still a kid for christ sake. Same as you and me Jntg. Your what 16? I'm 18. I'm the same way. Once I make up my mind I don't change it no matter what. Young and stubborn and think we know it all. Fact of the matter is that you looking out for Cashner more then the team. Silva is making a lot of money and if you were signing the checks you would want him playing as much as possible. Fact of the matter is is that Silva is a veteran were hoping can do decent and we can trade him. And if you think spring training numbers matter then you really don't know baseball at all.

 

[Jntg4]

After reading 5 pages of Jntg's hissy fit iwant Silva to start now. I'm not to high on Cashner anyways. Give Silva the job and hope he produces well enough thatwe can trade him. One year away isn't gonna kill Cashner hes still a kid for christ sake. Same as you and me Jntg. Your what 16? I'm 18. I'm the same way. Once I make up my mind I don't change it no matter what. Young and stubborn and think we know it all. Fact of the matter is that you looking out for Cashner more then the team. Silva is making a lot of money and if you were signing the checks you would want him playing as much as possible. Fact of the matter is is that Silva is a veteran were hoping can do decent and we can trade him. And if you think spring training numbers matter then you really don't know baseball at all.

No, it's not about Cashner at all. Cashner will be a part of our future, Silva won't. Cashner has earned the job this spring, Silva hasn't. If this spring doesn't matter, then they never should have called it a competition in the first place. If it doesn't matter, they knew damn well they were going with Silva.

Cashner should start to get experience under his belt in a year that we don't figure to really be competing.

And even if it were to have been about Cashner for me, then you are kind of a hypocrite for saying that it bad, if your decision is based on not liking me, which is more irrelevant.

The stats and performance is Spring matter because this was supposed to be a competition decided by Spring performance. If it wasn't, it would not have been a competition, would it? But maybe it wasn't a competition, and was all BS.

But then again, that report may be false.

Really, really, dumb to say you want Silva just because I don't though.

I care about the future of this team, when we actually may be a true contender. Cashner getting experience now is better for that.

Cashner is a good portion of our future, Silva isn't.

And no, I wouldn't want to play just because of salary. I'd try to create a winning team.

 

[The Bandit]

No, it's not about Cashner at all. Cashner will be a part of our future, Silva won't. Cashner has earned the job this spring, Silva hasn't. If this spring doesn't matter, then they never should have called it a competition in the first place. If it doesn't matter, they knew damn well they were going with Silva.

Cashner should start to get experience under his belt in a year that we don't figure to really be competing.

And even if it were to have been about Cashner for me, then you are kind of a hypocrite for saying that it bad, if your decision is based on not liking me, which is more irrelevant.

The stats and performance is Spring matter because this was supposed to be a competition decided by Spring performance. If it wasn't, it would not have been a competition, would it? But maybe it wasn't a competition, and was all BS.

But then again, that report may be false.

Really, really, dumb to say you want Silva just because I don't though.

I care about the future of this team, when we actually may be a true contender. Cashner getting experience now is better for that.

Cashner is a good portion of our future, Silva isn't.

And no, I wouldn't want to play just because of salary. I'd try to create a winning team.

He's in the majors pitching isn't he?

Its a game dude stop getting so pissy about it. Friendly competition is fine. Doesn;t matter if it was supposed to be decided spring training. It wasn't get over it and move on.

 

[Jntg4]

He's in the majors pitching isn't he?

Its a game dude stop getting so pissy about it. Friendly competition is fine. Doesn;t matter if it was supposed to be decided spring training. It wasn't get over it and move on.

Can't get over it bro, not until I'm certain. I will never fully get over it, and, as a matter of fact, I can't root for Silva in actual games. To be honest, I've been rotting for the Cubs to lose every game Silva has started this spring. I normally watch every Cubs game, but this year, I think I'll be skipping every 5th game if this is true.

BUT, ESPN suggests that it isn't true, so...

Ya, he's in the majors, but in a completely different type of ball-game.

 

[The Bandit]

Can't get over it bro, not until I'm certain. I will never fully get over it, and, as a matter of fact, I can't root for Silva in actual games. To be honest, I've been rotting for the Cubs to lose every game Silva has started this spring. I normally watch every Cubs game, but this year, I think I'll be skipping every 5th game if this is true.

BUT, ESPN suggests that it isn't true, so...

Ya, he's in the majors, but in a completely different type of ball-game.

Then your not a true fan if you can't cheer for a team even if you don't like a player.

 

[Jntg4]

Then your not a true fan if you can't cheer for a team even if you don't like a player.

I phrased that wrong. I'm trying to say that if I have to choose between the Blackhawks and the Cubs, I'd usually go with the Cubs. But if I had to choose between watching Silva or the Blackhawks, I'm watching the Hawks.

I watch the Hawks over the Cubs a bit anyway.

I'm just more than a Cubs fan, I'm a Bears, Hawks, and Fire fan too. I have to pick and choose every day.

I'm exaggerating anyway, I wanna see Castro. But in Spring Training, yes, I do root against Silva. Then when he is taken out, I root for a comeback.

 

[The Bandit]

I phrased that wrong. I'm trying to say that if I have to choose between the Blackhawks and the Cubs, I'd usually go with the Cubs. But if I had to choose between watching Silva or the Blackhawks, I'm watching the Hawks.

I watch the Hawks over the Cubs a bit anyway.

I'm just more than a Cubs fan, I'm a Bears, Hawks, and Fire fan too. I have to pick and choose every day.

I'm exaggerating anyway, I wanna see Castro. But in Spring Training, yes, I do root against Silva. Then when he is taken out, I root for a comeback.

I hate fans like you. If your gonna root for you team you root for them the whole way not when the pitcher you don't like leaves thats pathetic. and I'm a titans, sixers and cubs fan i dont watch hockey

 

[Jntg4]

I hate fans like you. If your gonna root for you team you root for them the whole way not when the pitcher you don't like leaves thats pathetic. and I'm a titans, sixers and cubs fan i dont watch hockey

It's Spring Training, I'm rotting for who I think should be on the team, and against those who don't. Most people don't watch spring training at all, so it doesn't matter to most who wins, same here. I want to see the players I think will help the team perform, and have.

I don't care what kind of fans you hate. I hate fans who yell "woo woo" all game, and non-Chicago fans. :shrug:

 

[poodski]

Great posts Vick all the way around.

 

[daddies3angels]

Again is Silva wins 5th spot its cause of CHEAP ASS owner. Has had HORRIBLE spring and have no reason for him to win spot on team.

 

[Jntg4]

Great posts Vick all the way around.

Ya, congrats for complaining about people not being real fans, lol.

I don't care, lol. I'm just exaggerating my disapproval. I support player development over someone like Silva, that's all. I think Cashner will be great for us in the coming years if we don't turn him into Samardzija 2.0.

 

[House of Carlos]

It looks like we are putting Cashner on the Samardzija plan....I fully expect Silva to start and Cashner to get completely messed up. Atleast my name gains more relevancy.

 

[Jntg4]

It looks like we are putting Cashner on the Samardzija plan....I fully expect Silva to start and Cashner to get completely messed up. Atleast my name gains more relevancy.

This is what I've been concerned about.