Starlin Castro discussion thread

[Rice Cube]

I just play one on TV.

 

[dabynsky]

every smart fan knows he isnt a ss.

I just play one on TV.

Apparently not well

 

[inactiveuser1]

I'm so lost at what is even going on in here

 

[brett05]

And I've shown how silly that comparison is since less than 85% of the time Valentin played the whole game at SS compared to 98% for Castro.

And the thread topic was about error total in a season. Which number is bigger 37 or 29?

Based On a single season Castro is projecting to what 45 errors?

Where are you getting the Valentin played SS for only 7 to 8 innings per game

 

[dabynsky]

Based On a single season Castro is projecting to what 45 errors?

Where are you getting the Valentin played SS for only 7 to 8 innings per game

Do we really have to go into how often early season projections pan out or can we just drop that as silly?

The point wasn't that Valentin played SS for 7 or 8 innings a game. The point was that of those 1200 games he logged at SS he only played about a 1000 for the entire game. So yes going by games played Valentin averaged about a third more of a game, but that is counting various games where he might have logged an inning or two at SS the same as a full game. Castro has played the entire game 98% of the 308 games he has logged at SS. But this is a pointless argument at this point. You said something that is flat out inaccurate that Castro would have to make fewer errors to be in the same class as Valentin, but if you really want to hang onto that third of a game as meaning that Valentin was clearly better defensively more power to you.

 

[dabynsky]

I'm so lost at what is even going on in here

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[DewsSox79]

I'm so lost at what is even going on in here

pretty much what dabs said in his post with homers. you basically have one sox homer vs a cubs homer arguing about valentin and castro and fd%, errors, and why castro should stay at ss.

 

[daddies3angels]

pretty much what dabs said in his post with homers. you basically have one sox homer vs a cubs homer arguing about valentin and castro and fd%, errors, and why castro should stay at ss.

I understand where arguments are coming from that Castro to move. But he only 22 and while team is rebuilding might as well let him grow there. His bat at SS would make him one of the best hitting SS in the game. If moved to 3B he loses alot of value. Jeter had 50+ errors when he was only 21 in minors. I think people forget Castro only 22 and will learn over the years how to make the routine plays. With his range and arm he should be avg SS that makes the great plays.

 

[brett05]

You can't compare d in minors to d in majors

 

[DewsSox79]

I understand where arguments are coming from that Castro to move. But he only 22 and while team is rebuilding might as well let him grow there. His bat at SS would make him one of the best hitting SS in the game. If moved to 3B he loses alot of value. Jeter had 50+ errors when he was only 21 in minors. I think people forget Castro only 22 and will learn over the years how to make the routine plays. With his range and arm he should be avg SS that makes the great plays.

that is what is lost within the fanbases. you dont need to have certain "attributes" or "power" per specific position. You can balance that out within a lineup very easily. so you move castro to 3rd in your example, ok he doesnt produce enough power for the 3b position, but you add the power in another area where it usually doesnt have power which happens alot on many mlb teams. the whole "hitting type" by position is highly overrated by the fans.

 

[daddies3angels]

You can't compare d in minors to d in majors

I more comparing the age. Why cant you compare? Errors in AAA is the same as in MLB lol

 

[brett05]

Do we really have to go into how often early season projections pan out or can we just drop that as silly?

The point wasn't that Valentin played SS for 7 or 8 innings a game. The point was that of those 1200 games he logged at SS he only played about a 1000 for the entire game. So yes going by games played Valentin averaged about a third more of a game, but that is counting various games where he might have logged an inning or two at SS the same as a full game. Castro has played the entire game 98% of the 308 games he has logged at SS. But this is a pointless argument at this point. You said something that is flat out inaccurate that Castro would have to make fewer errors to be in the same class as Valentin, but if you really want to hang onto that third of a game as meaning that Valentin was clearly better defensively more power to you.

When can projections be done? 17% of the season is gone
And show where he played only 7 or 8 innings a game. The Sox had options at SS. If the Cubs did they would execute them to
The accurate facts right now is that Castro is On pace for more errors than Valentin. In careers Castro is more likely to make an error though he could improve but so far all he's doing is getting worse

Valentin stinks as a d SS. So does Castro to this point

 

[brett05]

I more comparing the age. Why cant you compare? Errors in AAA is the same as in MLB lol

Field is not the same. Yes an error is an error. Way more likely to happen in minors than majors which is why it can't be compared.

 

[X]

Speaking of being a bit hypocritical considering how offended you were over a social group name here...

iLol'd

 

[X]

whats even more amusing is that there is a convo about castro and valentin in the same sentence about defense.

back to the topic.

castro isnt a SS, and im pretty certain he wont be the starting ss next year. just a hunch like the cubs NOT getting Dunn, Fielder, Roberts, Pujols, etc. just a hunch. thats all.

Lol. Everyone remembers their own successes...easy to forget their failures i guess.

 

[Jntg4]

that is what is lost within the fanbases. you dont need to have certain "attributes" or "power" per specific position. You can balance that out within a lineup very easily. so you move castro to 3rd in your example, ok he doesnt produce enough power for the 3b position, but you add the power in another area where it usually doesnt have power which happens alot on many mlb teams. the whole "hitting type" by position is highly overrated by the fans.

This is a philosophy I have always advocated. Totally agree with this. Unless we plan on trading Castro, it doesn't matter.

 

[Jntg4]

Field is not the same. Yes an error is an error. Way more likely to happen in minors than majors which is why it can't be compared.

Pretty sure it is the other way around. Better hitters equals more hard hit balls. If AAA players do get more errors, it is because they simply ate inferior tosh or league defenders. That said, Castro skipped AAA and was called up ironically as a defensive upgrade and had great fielding stats in the minors IIRC.

 

[brett05]

Are they still using aluminum in the minors?

 

[Rice Cube]

I'm pretty sure all professional leagues use wood.

 

[brett05]

When did they stop aluminum?