Starlin Castro's Error Tracker (2014 Edition!)

[SilenceS]

Also, I feel like no one here looks at defensive peripherals. They are stuck in the stone ages. Castro is not a great defensive SS by no means, but he isnt this horrendous defender. Perceptions lead to ill informed opinions.

 

[Boobaby1]

Also, I feel like no one here looks at defensive peripherals. They are stuck in the stone ages. Castro is not a great defensive SS by no means, but he isnt this horrendous defender. Perceptions lead to ill informed opinions.

So, in a playoff game, crunch time, money on the line, and you would feel comfortable with Castro making the play? More power to you.

I hope you aren't in the boat of people that didn't want to let Corey Patterson go because of what he might be or might become someday? That is what I see Castro as, and I wouldn't lose an ounce of sleep at night if they dealt him and got pitching or much needed help elsewhere in return.

I see him as one thing and it is not hate. It is what I see as a ball player moving forward.

If you want to know what unbiased people feel, go ask other fans of teams like the Cardinals, Sox, or other teams and let them give you their perception of Castro. I bet it won't be the same as yours.

Their is a reason why all of the time, announcers are wondering if Castro can put it all together and I know that's what the Cubs are hoping for too.

Why are they saying that if it isn't true. He seems to be the primary focus on the Cubs, other than Samardzija getting traded every day.

 

[chibears55]

You win with pitching if you don't know, and the Cubs have NONE in the minors that are anything close.

How else are the Cubs going to gain pitching

maybe you should start paying a little more attention to the kids in the minors, instead of just pissn on them..

AAA
kyle Hendricks 8 GS 4 W 3.06 ERA 1.12 WHIP 54 K 11 BB 50 IP

Tsuyoshi Wada 7 GS 4 W 1.22 ERA 0.83 WHIP 46 K 9 BB 44 IP

AA
CJ Edwards 4 GS 2.61 ERA 1.06 WHIP 20 K 8 BB 20 IP

Dae-Eun Rhee 6 GS 3.43 ERA 1.26 WHIP 29 K 42 IP

4 pretty good starters, 2 of which should be up this year or next... far cry from having none in minors that are close...


like I said, they can still sign pitchers via FAs and they most likely will get pitching prospects back if they deal samardzija and hammel..
so dealing castro isn't their only source of getting pitching prospects...

If you want to dispute that, go right ahead, but quit making the excuses of him being just 24. You act as if he is going to suddenly grow up. He has had plenty of years, plenty of mentors, and still makes bine-headed mistakes.

HATRED....

 

[chibears55]

So, in a playoff game, crunch time, money on the line, and you would feel comfortable with Castro making the play? More power to you.

bottom 9th 2 outs tie run on 2nd .. you feel comfortable with your lite hitting SS in that situation ? more power to you..

I see him as one thing and it is not hate. It is what I see as a ball player moving forward.

good thing your not a scout or GM then... :shrug:

If you want to know what unbiased people feel, go ask other fans of teams like the Cardinals, Sox, or other teams and let them give you their perception of Castro. I bet it won't be the same as yours.

yea, their really unbiased of cubs players... :shot:

 

[beckdawg]

Asking a card or sox fan is probably a bad idea. You'd be better with someone who's not a rival. I've been pretty clear on my opinion. I think he's an above average SS. If you look at his defensive metrics over the past 3.5 years you're talking about the 15th rated UZR/150 player. That's average though you could argue he's been better the more recent years. Either way, point is he's not elite. If you look at WAR, he's 14th for SS over that frame though to be fair that also includes a horrific 2013. In my opinion he's a above average hitter with average defense. To me that puts him in that range where you'll be an all-star in your best years and just below most of the time. On a good team he's a pretty decent bottom third hitter.

I don't however buy the rhetoric that he's a "core piece." He's worth having until you have someone better which they clearly don't at present time. However, if they can turn him into a more valuable piece(s) for a playoff contending team in desperate need at SS, I'm all for it. He's currently this season 5th in WAR. For example, the Mariners are still .500 and have Brad Miller killing them at SS. If they were to offer some top pitching it would be worth considering.

To reiterate, I think he's at a similar level to someone like Jed Lowrie or Asdrubal Cabrera or Alexei Ramirez. These are guys who've been good but not great even if they've shown flashes of great.

 

[diavolos]

HATRED....

i don't know about you, but i'm impressed that castro is on the leaderboard for most career errors for active players. and hey, just think, he's only been in the league 5 years. surely, by the end of his career he'll be in beltre territory.

 

[diavolos]

bottom 9th 2 outs tie run on 2nd .. you feel comfortable with your lite hitting SS in that situation ? more power to you..

you might want to check clutch hitting stats. because .133 with 2 outs and risp isn't going to cut it either.

 

[chibears55]

i don't know about you, but i'm impressed that castro is on the leaderboard for most career errors for active players. and hey, just think, he's only been in the league 5 years. surely, by the end of his career he'll be in beltre territory.

:dontsay:

 

[chibears55]

you might want to check clutch hitting stats. because .133 with 2 outs and risp isn't going to cut it either.

LMAO

 

[MRubio52]

Asking a card or sox fan is probably a bad idea. You'd be better with someone who's not a rival. I've been pretty clear on my opinion. I think he's an above average SS. If you look at his defensive metrics over the past 3.5 years you're talking about the 15th rated UZR/150 player. That's average though you could argue he's been better the more recent years. Either way, point is he's not elite. If you look at WAR, he's 14th for SS over that frame though to be fair that also includes a horrific 2013. In my opinion he's a above average hitter with average defense. To me that puts him in that range where you'll be an all-star in your best years and just below most of the time. On a good team he's a pretty decent bottom third hitter.

I don't however buy the rhetoric that he's a "core piece." He's worth having until you have someone better which they clearly don't at present time. However, if they can turn him into a more valuable piece(s) for a playoff contending team in desperate need at SS, I'm all for it. He's currently this season 5th in WAR. For example, the Mariners are still .500 and have Brad Miller killing them at SS. If they were to offer some top pitching it would be worth considering.

To reiterate, I think he's at a similar level to someone like Jed Lowrie or Asdrubal Cabrera or Alexei Ramirez. These are guys who've been good but not great even if they've shown flashes of great.

Errors are subject to a scorer's opinion and I really hate the statistic. He's made some bad plays, he's made some spectacular plays. He also did this in April:

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=23461

He has obvious range and tools, he can get to balls and he has a great arm. I think you live with that given the bat potential.

 

[diavolos]

if you want to rip on hendry some more, you should rip on him for castro. he's average. his war and runs batting are average, his fielding is below average. and he's not a clutch hitter. but he makes a spectacular play here and there, or has a huge game batting and i think people get stars in their eyes. if/when the minor league replacement is ready, castro should be immediately traded. but because of his contract, probably not movable or i suspect he would have been moved already.

 

[MRubio52]

if you want to rip on hendry some more, you should rip on him for castro. he's average. his war and runs batting are average, his fielding is below average. and he's not a clutch hitter. but he makes a spectacular play here and there, or has a huge game batting and i think people get stars in their eyes. if/when the minor league replacement is ready, castro should be immediately traded. but because of his contract, probably not movable or i suspect he would have been moved already.

A 3 and a 3.4 in 2011 and 2012 are above average, and he has 1.2 WAR already this year. He's been above average at ages when most kids are still getting out of High A.

He's 24. I'd relax on the hate.

 

[MRubio52]

For context on WAR:

http://www.fangraphs.com/library/misc/war/

Key Chart:

Scrub 0-1 WAR
Role Player 1-2 WAR
Solid Starter 2-3 WAR
Good Player 3-4 WAR
All-Star 4-5 WAR
Superstar 5-6 WAR
MVP 6+ WAR

EDIT I'm not the biggest proponent of WAR out there. I appreciate it as a number and I do use it. However, there are a few issues I have with boiling down a player to one number. I think losing context and not understanding the how is just as bad as using old school stats. The number itself is better, but the reliance on one number is the issue in my mind.

 

[diavolos]

Errors are subject to a scorer's opinion and I really hate the statistic. He's made some bad plays, he's made some spectacular plays

all defensive metrics are subjective and based on opinion. but somehow they are the end all be all and errors are meaningless. got it.

He has obvious range and tools, he can get to balls and he has a great arm. I think you live with that given the bat potential.

there are many many ss who have obvious range, can get to balls and have great arms. just look at the plays made by simmons and escobar yesterday. had castro made those plays they would have been the greatest plays of all time that no other ss in the history of the game could have made.

 

[Jntg4]

if you want to rip on hendry some more, you should rip on him for castro. he's average. his war and runs batting are average, his fielding is below average. and he's not a clutch hitter. but he makes a spectacular play here and there, or has a huge game batting and i think people get stars in their eyes. if/when the minor league replacement is ready, castro should be immediately traded. but because of his contract, probably not movable or i suspect he would have been moved already.

It is a pretty cheap contract for an above average, young shortstop who, as you described, leaves a star in one's eyes once in a while. Even if he is as bad as you say he is, there will not only be teams lined up for him, there will be plenty ready to overpay. Not movable, ya... ok.

 

[SilenceS]

Lol! Do people even look at SS stats? He is not Tulo. No shit, no one in MLB is Tulo. I did find something extremely insteresting on Tulo. He is batting over .600 at homer and sub .250 on the road. I dont think I have ever seen that kind of split for a full time player. If he was a Cub, people would be yelling to trade him cause he isnt "clutch" on the road. LOL Tulo is the best SS in the league by far. He is a superstar and then there is everyone else. Right now, Castro is around the 3rd to 2nd best hitting SS in the league. Lets ***** some more because yall truly dont ever want to win one day. It would **** up yalls circle jerk on the Cubs will never be winners.

 

[brett05]

Im not complaining. I traded him two years ago when he had max value

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[MRubio52]

all defensive metrics are subjective and based on opinion. but somehow they are the end all be all and errors are meaningless. got it.



there are many many ss who have obvious range, can get to balls and have great arms. just look at the plays made by simmons and escobar yesterday. had castro made those plays they would have been the greatest plays of all time that no other ss in the history of the game could have made.

Didn't quote defensive metrics.

And yeah you basically just said Castro can make shortstop plays. Sooooooo....


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[Boobaby1]

Im not complaining. I traded him two years ago when he had max value

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That's funny, because that is all I'm suggesting the Cubs do, and I am getting ripped for it. Everyone is always worried about the almighty dollar in Cubs land. Soooooo, here it goes!

The Cubs figure to hopefully be contenders in 2-3 years when Castro's contract will be in the 10 to 11 million dollar per range. What in the world is wrong with maximizing on him now and getting what the Cubs will need in 2-3 years, plus being cost controlled for 6 years? I personally would rather trade off in what I could get back in pitching or catching (both much needed), that I will be able to use then, versus, saying that I have a hitting SS now, who is average at best defensively, all while my team is struggling to win 65 games annually.

Most ripped on here about Soriano, and how little his wins would do for the club now because they are horrible. What the hell is the difference? Because Castro is 24? How much better can he get? And please......stay realistic with the response and not some pipe dream that he is going to be a 20-25 HR guy, with 15 errors a year, cause it aint happenin' in our lifetime.

 

[beckdawg]

Errors are subject to a scorer's opinion and I really hate the statistic. He's made some bad plays, he's made some spectacular plays. He also did this in April:

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=23461

He has obvious range and tools, he can get to balls and he has a great arm. I think you live with that given the bat potential.

I'm not saying here's bad. However, I wonder where his top end bat wise is. If he's a .290/.330 type with 10-15 HRs and say 10 steals he's an above average player especially at SS but I just don't see the more upside than that. He's already lost some of his speed and I suppose he can add some more power as he gets a little older but I think he's kind of what he is now.