Starlin Castro's Error Tracker (2014 Edition!)

[brett05]

LOL

If only you showed realism. Perhaps thats the wager u need to make

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[SilenceS]

If only you showed realism. Perhaps thats the wager u need to make

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Realism? You are saying a GM would take a 32 year Ramirez over a 24 year old Castro. Castro leads in the power and Ramirez has a better average. Your answer was he plays in a harder league with little protection. Holy shit, I didnt know Nate was a great hitter behind Castro. That under .200 AVG is deceiving. Im not saying anything bad towards Ramirez. You just made a completely unprovable claim with almost no basis.

 

[chibears55]

You forget Alexei plays a harder schedule with less protection in a harder league.

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Less protection ? So the sox hitters are not better then the cubs ?

Harder Schedule... not according to MLB network who says that the NL Central could arguably be the best division in baseball, even better then AL East.
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[brett05]

if mlb network said that....lol

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[brett05]

Im outta here til the majority of the kool aid drinkers drop into reality

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[Jntg4]

if mlb network said that....lol

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Would you have argued with someone that claimed that last year? Even with your honestly incredible bias?

 

[brett05]

Would you have argued with someone that claimed that last year? Even with your honestly incredible bias?

Anyone last year or this year calling the central in either league higher than fourth just lacks objectivity

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[Jntg4]

Anyone last year or this year calling the central in either league higher than fourth just lacks objectivity

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Considering that both NL Wild Cards were from the NL Central...I'd say it was the best in the NL... meaning at the lowest it would be fourth and even if all AL divisions were higher that would put the AL Central higher than fourth as a result...

 

[brett05]

Given the cubs and milw in the central last year I imagine they would

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[MRubio52]

I don't like how these discussions get away from the player and end up being more about the team.

Let's talk about the player skills.

I think both Castro and Ramirez are very close in value right now with cases to be made for the slight edge to go either way. Depends on preference in my opinion and the laundry you happen to root for will sway your opinion.

Moving forward, however, I think the case is fairly easy in favor of Starlin Castro. Ramirez is a finished product for the most part (and a very interesting case in how defense can improve as a player ages, he was considered a butcher early in his career). It's a nice package to be honest and it's one I would likely take over Castro rest of season but moving forward I'm rolling with Castro as my shortstop. There's some power projection there and he's barreling up the baseball again. We can talk all we want about patience and plate discipline but I think Castro has an approach at the plate and a game plan, it's just not one that people can appreciate on the surface. Castro knows what he can hit and he isn't afraid to swing at it. His bat to ball skills are back as evidenced by a 5% slash in strikeout rate. Couple that with how hard he's hitting the ball and improved defensive range and I'm taking the young dominican over the elder cuban.

 

[brett05]

Who wouldn't?

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[brett05]

Anyone last year or this year calling the central in either league higher than fourth just lacks objectivity

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Id like to ammend this for 2013. I think the NL central could be ranked 3rd in 2013

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[MRubio52]

I also think Castro is an interesting case study in what we think is an acceptable Error total for Shortstops. I don't think Castro will ever be an elite defender but if he carries a .965-.970 FDLG% while showing off the superior range and arm I'm ok with it. Again, the errors are overstated in my opinion and we're focusing on a number rather than on what's happened in the field.

 

[diavolos]

Again, the errors are overstated in my opinion and we're focusing on a number rather than on what's happened in the field.

don't errors happen on the field?

 

[MRubio52]

don't errors happen on the field?

sure do, but the tracker is obsessed with the number, not all errors are created equal and we lose a lot of the how and why in counting the what.

 

[diavolos]

and we lose a lot of the how and why in counting the what.

not really. probably 95+% of errors are no doubt, clear cut errors by the player that you wish to spin as mostly the results of super human effort that was somehow egregiously overturned by some evil human bias against the player. there have been over 850 errors in mlb by the time of this posting and i would be surprised if much more than 20 of those would be considered controversial or as you wish to spin, scoring errors.

 

[dabears253313]

 

[MRubio52]

not really. probably 95+% of errors are no doubt, clear cut errors by the player that you wish to spin as mostly the results of super human effort that was somehow egregiously overturned by some evil human bias against the player. there have been over 850 errors in mlb by the time of this posting and i would be surprised if much more than 20 of those would be considered controversial or as you wish to spin, scoring errors.

Where was the throw made on the field, 5-6 hole, was it on a charge, could the 1B have scooped it reasonably well, expanding from that on non error plays did the 1B bail him out, how ordinary/extraordinary was the effort?

That's just the tip too, there are a host of questions you have to answer when talking about fielding, raw error total is terribly insufficient


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[justaChifan]

better to be a meatball than a wonk.
Meatballs have lives beside B-ball.

 

[diavolos]

Where was the throw made on the field, 5-6 hole, was it on a charge, could the 1B have scooped it reasonably well, expanding from that on non error plays did the 1B bail him out, how ordinary/extraordinary was the effort?

you have just described the less than 5% of errors that I stated in the previous post were not no doubt, clear cut errors. now that we have established that a ridiculously large percentage of errors are exactly that, errors by the player and not the scorekeeper, we can move on and not completely discard a stat because of an extremely small amount of subjectiveness. i mean there are some close calls on called third strikes that can go either way, so I guess we should just eliminate the strikeout stat also right?