Sweet Spot Blog: Who's better: White Sox versus Cubs

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And I think the same records in '14 is more of an indictment of the Cubs than the Sox. It took the Cubs how many years of a rebuild to get to that many wins? Sox did it in their first year of a rebuild.

OK, well this is just false. The Cubs actively tried to lose games in 2012, 2013 & 2014. After the Samardzija/Hammel trade they did start a little bit of a different approach but I would hardly call it trying to win. Honestly I think they won a few more than they wanted to and coveted a higher draft pick. This year they want to win some games. As far as the Sox go they actually trie to put a major league roster on the field last year and had a disappointing season.

These team's rebuilds are not at all analogous. The White Sox see a window in 2015 that they might be able to exploit, that being the fact that Detroit looks very off and could be headed off the kind of cliff the Phillies fell off a couple seasons ago and thinking the Royals are anything but worse than last year is not knowing baseball. Rick Hahn is not a dummy, he sees a division that could be had at maybe 87-89 wins and he's made some moves to get them there. Will they? Idk, to me all the cards are in the Tigers hands and if they don't fall off a cliff the White Sox have little chance. Again though Hahn has done the right thing based on his situation. I don't think much of Cleveland, I think the Royals are nowhere near what they were last year (losing Shields is a serious problem) and the Twins are a year or two away with their young talent. The White Sox could win the division, but some luck would be involved. I'd say 85-88 wins is a valid projection.

The Cubs are in a completely different mode. They lost on purpose for three solid years and last year ended that phase of the rebuild. Concurrent with that some gambles in the bullpen, along with some savvy reclamation projects in Jake Arietta and in Chris Coghlan paid some dividends. The faster than expected development of Jorge Soler, Kris Bryant and Arismendy Alcantara coupled with the gambles I mentioned put the Cubs in a position to turn the corner in 2015. They want to compete. They went out and made some very nice moves to do that. The Cubs FO never says 2015 is a contention year but they do say that about 2016. This a transition year but it's also the game of baseball and strange things happen. If Soler and Bryant are competing for RoY midseason, the record is around .500 and the pitching staff looks good it would be easy to see them switch into contention mode, maybe make a deal or two and go for it. Nobody with a brain (or an ulterior motive) predicts those things though. I'd say 81-88 wins is a valid projection here but the uncertainty of prospects probably makes that number more volatile. which is why I predict the high end the same as I do the Sox but the bottom end a few games lower.

I really didn't want to do any predicting here. I think it's early and what the two teams are doing are so different comparison is difficult if not impossible but saying the Cubs 73 wins was somehow more of a failure than the Sox 73 win in 2014 set me off. This should be a fun season of baseball with two very differently structured organizations for a city that deserves it. Isn't that enough?
 

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Cubs are obviously the better team. Better GM, better manager, better roster and better fans.
 

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Cubs are obviously the better team. Better GM, better manager, better roster and better fans.

Hahn rebuilt in half the time. In Chicago as it stands today clearly Hahn > Theo
 

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Hahn rebuilt in half the time. In Chicago as it stands today clearly Hahn > Theo

That just means Theo is making sure things are done the right way, not the easy, quick way. He's trying to build a team that will be good for years or even decades, not a couple of years.
 

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That just means Theo is making sure things are done the right way, not the easy, quick way. He's trying to build a team that will be good for years or even decades, not a couple of years.


Right...Forget the fact that Theo inherited a 90 win team with boston when they won the World Series, forget the fact that he never had to build a team from the ground up, forget the fact that Theo leaves and Cherington clears 200 million of bad theo paper and than wins the world series. But keep on Fapping.
 

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I don't understand you saying the Sox is JR's hobby, and then stating That "Baseball" is his life/Business? Did you mean Basketball? Cuz if so, as a big Bulls fan, he better start handling his 'Business' a little better.

However, if that is really JR's commitment to the Sox, I do empathize with you Sox fans as that would piss me off. Actually, it would be reason enough for me to not show up at the ballpark. :dunno:

Say what you want about Ricketts, he does seem to have the passion to bring a winner to Wrigley, which is way more than the morons that used to own the Cubs.

baseball is his life in the fact that he loves the game not for the money....like as in hobby.

Rich people have expensive hobbies.

I know if I had deep pockets like a lot of owners Id do the same for the passion I have for the sox.
 

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Right...Forget the fact that Theo inherited a 90 win team with boston when they won the World Series, forget the fact that he never had to build a team from the ground up, forget the fact that Theo leaves and Cherington clears 200 million of bad theo paper and than wins the world series. But keep on Fapping.

Where did I mention Boston? I was talking about him trying to build the CUBS the righty way. No where in my original post did I talk about Boston.
 

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That just means Theo is making sure things are done the right way, not the easy, quick way. He's trying to build a team that will be good for years or even decades, not a couple of years.

Not sure why you think the Sox aren't in essence built to last just as long but perhaps you are a Cub fan who isn't a baseball fan :shrug:
 

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The Sox will likely fare better this season as most of their players are well developed and you know what to expect. With the Cubs we have to rely on a lot of what if's, granted they are high potential what if's. A Cub fan should be happy with a 75 win season and seeing players up here playing and getting better, but obviously it is also time to expect more.

Just look at expectations. If the Sox are at 75 wins it will be a major disappointment, if the Cubs get 75 wins it will be disappointing but also more reasonable to expect.

LOL, what? Both teams won 73 games last year, but the White Sox should be majorly disappointed with little improvement while Cubs fans, whose franchise has been talking about nothing but development, should be happy? What kind of stupid nonsense is this?
 

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Where did I mention Boston? I was talking about him trying to build the CUBS the righty way. No where in my original post did I talk about Boston.

No doubt. But that dude loves to troll and will conjure stuff up in order to do it.
 

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LOL, what? Both teams won 73 games last year, but the White Sox should be majorly disappointed with little improvement while Cubs fans, whose franchise has been talking about nothing but development, should be happy? What kind of stupid nonsense is this?

It actually made a lot of sense.
 

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It actually made a lot of sense.

No, it didn't. Both teams should expect about the same amount of improvement, 8-10 wins. Any more would be gravy, any less would be a disappointment for both franchises. It wouldn't be any more or less of a disappointment for either teams fans.
 

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No, it didn't. Both teams should expect about the same amount of improvement, 8-10 wins. Any more would be gravy, any less would be a disappointment for both franchises. It wouldn't be any more or less of a disappointment for either teams fans.

I disagree...I think the Cubs could win less and it'd still be a good season. This is the year to see what the hitting prospects can do and just exactly how much pitching the team needs for 2016 and beyond
 

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