Sweet Spot Blog: Who's better: White Sox versus Cubs

[2323]

No, it didn't. Both teams should expect about the same amount of improvement, 8-10 wins. Any more would be gravy, any less would be a disappointment for both franchises. It wouldn't be any more or less of a disappointment for either teams fans.

It did. He was saying the Cubs are relying on younger players, which is a bigger mixed bag than more established players. It's hardly an outrageous comment. Stop pretending like it was.

 

[ijustposthere]

I disagree...I think the Cubs could win less and it'd still be a good season. This is the year to see what the hitting prospects can do and just exactly how much pitching the team needs for 2016 and beyond

Win less than what? The White Sox? Yes, they can win less than the Sox and it still be a successful season. If you're talking about the team moving backwards, then no, it wouldn't be considered a success. Considering what they had last year, compared to what they will have, barring injury, if they win less it will most certainly be a disappointment.

 

[ijustposthere]

It did. He was saying the Cubs are relying on younger players, which is a bigger mixed bag than more established players. It's hardly an outrageous comment. Stop pretending like it was.

Derp. I'm not. I'm saying that being less disappointed on the Cubs failures just because they're younger is nonsense. You don't think Cubs fans will be pretty hugely disappointed if this team isn't AT LEAST .500? After all the crap we've been sold on these players? You honestly think it will be a bigger disappointment for White Sox fans than Cubs fans if the teams don't see a moderate improvement? Or will the disappointment likely be the same for both teams fans?

 

[Parade_Rain]

Hahn rebuilt in half the time. In Chicago as it stands today clearly Hahn > Theo

Remember #12 is a long way from #1.

 

[Parade_Rain]

such an ignorant moronic post.

Not really. The Cubs do have a better manager. That cannot be argued.

 

[ijustposthere]

Remember #12 is a long way from #1.

Not to mention one had more to clean up than the other.

 

[Tampabear]

ummm. its actual fact that jr owns the sox for hobby. its been stated multiple times that baseball is his life. he has his hands in every cookie jar where he makes his money. these are just facts. if you cant handle facts i can get you a subscription to the national enquirer. now run along, find a quiet place and think hard on what you will say next.

let me guess, no quiet space? couldnt think? I bet the "troll" comeback is looming.

your altuve comment was awesome yet does not apply to your debate.

keep up the good work!




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I would say investment is a better term than hobby. Investment plus the love of the game. JR was originally an attorney for IRS. He was on the losing side of numerous court cases regarding real estate investment; seeing investors getting rich with little tax consequence. He left IRS and started his own real estate investment company, Balcor, which he sold when he put the investors together to buy the Sox. I wonder how much of the team he actually owns. Back then it wasn't a real large percentage. There were many investors. Same with the Bulls. I think he started out personally owning around 5%. Of topic I know, but what the hell. For what it is worth, the blog in debate is a piece of crap. No matter how much upside the Cub rookies have, lets see what they have before we crown their ass.

 

[Tampabear]

Not really. The Cubs do have a better manager. That cannot be argued.

Parade, you are knowledgeable of the Rays I see. Which means you have to live here (Also means you should be silent in the attendance debates). I won't argue Maddon is better than Ventura, but I will say he is highly over rated. He has that bohemian personality, but I think he was only as good as that incredible pitching staff he had.

 

[chibears55]

No, but the rebuild counts last offseason too

Beside abreu , what young player (s) did they bring up to the major league level and who besides Rodon is projected to help their major league team from their system in the near future..


Again i may be wrong but to me, rebuilding a team means to pretty much gut it and start from scratch with mostly young players from the system or trades...

the sox have simply replaced some players with FAs along with abreu replacing konerko last season at first..unless i missed someone. .

 

[Parade_Rain]

Parade, you are knowledgeable of the Rays I see. Which means you have to live here (Also means you should be silent in the attendance debates). I won't argue Maddon is better than Ventura, but I will say he is highly over rated. He has that bohemian personality, but I think he was only as good as that incredible pitching staff he had.

I am knowledgeable of the Rays because I have some reliable connections. I do not live in FL. I don't get into attendance debates and I am not a fan of Wrigley.

The players I spoke with had great things to say about Maddon. And if you don't have pitching, you don't win.

 

[DewsSox79]

Correct me if im wrong but signing a couple FAs isnt exactly rebuilding is it ?

going from 2nd to last in the minors to 12th while putting a quality team on the field is quite good. remember...none of theos moves with ALL these specs are proven yet accept for rizzo. so technically the cubs have nothing built just yet


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[2323]

Derp. I'm not. I'm saying that being less disappointed on the Cubs failures just because they're younger is nonsense. You don't think Cubs fans will be pretty hugely disappointed if this team isn't AT LEAST .500? After all the crap we've been sold on these players? You honestly think it will be a bigger disappointment for White Sox fans than Cubs fans if the teams don't see a moderate improvement? Or will the disappointment likely be the same for both teams fans?

It depends on how it happens but most people don't know what to expect. People generally understand learning curves and injuries can factor in heavily. The two biggest ways people will be disappointed if they fall short are if it seems like mgt is the reason it doesn't happen. The other thing would be if people see guys struggle and sour on them pre maturely.

 

[ijustposthere]

going from 2nd to last in the minors to 12th while putting a quality team on the field is quite good. remember...none of theos moves with ALL these specs are proven yet accept for rizzo. so technically the cubs have nothing built just yet


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The White Sox have put a quality team on the field?

 

[Bear Pride]

going from 2nd to last in the minors to 12th while putting a quality team on the field is quite good. remember...none of theos moves with ALL these specs are proven yet accept for rizzo. so technically the cubs have nothing built just yet


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Last time I checked, the Cubs will be starting 2 or 3 young kids, with a bunch more on the way. The whole "Cubs prospects are unproven" argument is getting a little old. What are you Sox fans gonna cling on to when these players start kicking ass? :dunno:

We'll be starting veterans in LF, CF, SS, 1B, P, and C. The 'young' players will be Soler in RF, who's only question seems to be healthiness, Baez or Mendy at 2B, and Bryant at 3B, the best prospect in the MLB.

We have two young starting pitchers that have just as much 'proven' experience as Abreu. We have a veteran bullpen that's deep, and we have a veteran bench.

The biggest question mark so far is Baez ... big deal, he still could be great, and if not, we still have guys like Russell coming up.

It's time we put this whole 'unproven' prospect argument to bed, don't ya think? :dunno:

 

[brett05]

Win less than what? The White Sox? Yes, they can win less than the Sox and it still be a successful season. If you're talking about the team moving backwards, then no, it wouldn't be considered a success. Considering what they had last year, compared to what they will have, barring injury, if they win less it will most certainly be a disappointment.

To last year's 73 wins. I think they could do a 68 win and yet still call it a success unless the team is still playing the let's keep the specs in the minors game. Finding out about the youth and the litany of AAAA starters the Cubs have this year is extremely valuable.

 

[brett05]

Remember #12 is a long way from #1.

Remember, the difference isn't that great as we showed in the other thread talking about this already. Nor is #1 any type of goal any team really should have.

 

[brett05]

Not to mention one had more to clean up than the other.

I wouldn't be so sure on that point.

 

[brett05]

Beside abreu , what young player (s) did they bring up to the major league level and who besides Rodon is projected to help their major league team from their system in the near future..


Again i may be wrong but to me, rebuilding a team means to pretty much gut it and start from scratch with mostly young players from the system or trades...

the sox have simply replaced some players with FAs along with abreu replacing konerko last season at first..unless i missed someone. .

NO a rebuild means taking a bad team and making them a potential contender. You can tank years in hopes of doing that (The Theo method) or you can try to resurrect the minors while building the major league team. The White Sox added a ton of young talent via trades, FA signings, and drafting. (Abreu, Gillaspie, Eaton, Garcia, Shark (by trading away guys like Semien) and have Rodon to be added.) They added nice pieces with Cabrera, Laroche, Jennnigs, Duke, Robertson all while keeping in budget and not really risking the continuing process of rebuilding the minors which went from basically dead last to 12.

 

[brett05]

We have two young starting pitchers that have just as much 'proven' experience as Abreu.

It's time we put this whole 'unproven' prospect argument to bed, don't ya think? :dunno:

You are comparing pitchers and batters?

It gets put to bed after they no longer are unproven specs. That's how that works.

 

[Parade_Rain]

Remember, the difference isn't that great as we showed in the other thread talking about this already. Nor is #1 any type of goal any team really should have.

The difference is great enough. And having the best farm possible shouldn't be a goal? Surely you jest. The Cardinals have one of the top systems.