Sweet Spot Blog: Who's better: White Sox versus Cubs

[Parade_Rain]

You keep trumpeting this....smh


Stop right here. Ding! Winner! This is all that matters. Not your ranking.

These two points go together. You are being very shortsighted. #1 means you not only have good prospects, but also it means you have a lot of them. You can trade a few away on a needed playoff run piece and still have plenty left to help the big club or work the next trade. At #12 you make the trade and your farm may now be depleted. It matters.

The White Sox have that too and more so when compared to each other. But it ain't worth talking about yet at this stage.

So next year we can come back and talk about the pitching at the lower levels. Awesome.

Solid organizations turn it around as quickly as possible. That has always been my stance.

So turning an organization around in 3 years looking to be competitive for a long run after sucking for most of a century would be pretty quick.

It's factual. Can't help it when the facts support my favorite team nor when the facts speak against my favorite team (Cubs have a better minor league system, our 73 wins hurt more than the Cubs 73 wins)

So IOW, no one was available to step up and take the place of the injured players. It's good to know that farm system is well stocked at #12.

Sox haven't really had any issues in getting who they wanted from guys like Abreu and Ramirez and Tank (Though Tank turned to be a flop. hey it happens to all teams).
We shall see on this for both sides. Right now I think most would pick the Sox immediately and long term it's a toss up with bright futures for both clubs.

Theo has done a great job in restocking the hitters for the Cubs in the minors. Let's see what happens next.

I can guarantee the cubs attendance will be better, even if the Sox have a better record.

 

[brett05]

These two points go together. You are being very shortsighted. #1 means you not only have good prospects, but also it means you have a lot of them. You can trade a few away on a needed playoff run piece and still have plenty left to help the big club or work the next trade. At #12 you make the trade and your farm may now be depleted. It matters.

I think you missed a huge piece here. Being #1 means you are rated better than the other 29 teams by someone. It speaks not to quality or depth though they are usually there as well. After factoring out players that should not be part of this ranking and the players that will be starting or get called up relatively soon in 2015, I'd not be surprised at all to see the #1 team fall to #20 in a single season. I'd also not be surprised that they settle in around #10 with some pitchers actaully blossoming.

So turning an organization around in 3 years looking to be competitive for a long run after sucking for most of a century would be pretty quick.

And 18 months is quicker.

So IOW, no one was available to step up and take the place of the injured players. It's good to know that farm system is well stocked at #12.

And no one was able to step up last year for the #1 team. Hmmmm....

I can guarantee the cubs attendance will be better, even if the Sox have a better record.

I agree. But I'd also not be surprised to see the White Sox do better Nielsen wise as they did just a couple of years ago.

 

[nickofypres]

Oh, Jesus Christ.

 

[DewsSox79]

Im not comparing stats or players... you said the sox brought in good young players and used those guys as examples. . Im just saying those players are just the same as the ones the cubs brought in...

The subject was about you saying the sox rebuilt..
We have a difference in opinion on what a rebuild is and that ok...

To me the sox basically retooled their major league team by replacing some players with bringing in veterans via FA or trade..

the cubs not only rebuilt the farm system, they unloaded aging and high cost players and rebuilt the major league team from scratch..
though it not a finished product yet....

kinda what cherington did when he took over and cleaned up theos bad paper than won the World Series.

 

[chibears55]

kinda what cherington did when he took over and cleaned up theos bad paper than won the World Series.

Ok ??? But if im not mistaken cherington also had some of those theo WS guys with him too, to win

 

[Parade_Rain]

Ok ??? But if im not mistaken cherington also had some of those theo WS guys with him too, to win

Let me convert White Sox fan-speak into English for you, chibears55. Duquette's players won the first Boston WS and Cherington was responsible for the second. Theo had nothing to do with either.

 

[Parade_Rain]

I think you missed a huge piece here. Being #1 means you are rated better than the other 29 teams by someone. It speaks not to quality or depth though they are usually there as well. After factoring out players that should not be part of this ranking and the players that will be starting or get called up relatively soon in 2015, I'd not be surprised at all to see the #1 team fall to #20 in a single season. I'd also not be surprised that they settle in around #10 with some pitchers actaully blossoming.

The goal of a farm system once the MLB franchise is built is to hover in the top ten. #1 is in the top ten.

And 18 months is quicker.

Of course 18 months is quicker. The job was easier.

And no one was able to step up last year for the #1 team. Hmmmm....

Hendricks, Wada, Alcantara, Soler, etc. say "hello".

I agree. But I'd also not be surprised to see the White Sox do better Nielsen wise as they did just a couple of years ago.

Perhaps you missed that the attendance comment was a complete joke, because comments about attendance are a complete joke.

 

[2323]

kinda what cherington did when he took over and cleaned up theos bad paper than won the World Series.

The big meltdown at the end of Theo's time was losing that big lead on TB and a loss of professionalism in the locker room. So, what does Cerington do? He hires Bobby Valentine. There's nothing wrong with the hire but he was hired because he's a good manager and because he wasn't going to let guys do whatever they want. It was a disaster on the field. You had guys like Pedroia pouting about how Bobby V managed and talking about the Red Sox way, except I'm guessing Pedroia wasn't referring to chicken, beer, and late season collapses as the Red Sox way. It was oil and water. Cherington brought in someone who wouldn't coddle the players and the players revolted by pouting. As a result, they finished in last place and brought in an ex Red Sox coach in Farrell. Essentially, Cherington caved to guys like Pedroia and went back to letting the inmates run the asylum. It worked the first year. The Hawthorne Effect was probably at work because the next year they were in last place again.

There are many ways to interpret Cheringtons time as GM. When they won in 2009, it was largely with players Theo had acquired. You should really stop talking about Cheringtons turn around and cleaning up Theos mess. You're characterization is incredibly simplistic. He won a WS largely with Theos players and trying to fix the clubhouse mess ended in absolute failure. Cherington ended up going back to coddling the players by firing V and hiring Farrell. So, what has Cherington cleaned up?

There's no doubt Cherington made a good deal to unload some contracts but Theo might have done the exact same thing at that same point in time. Part of that was luck in that the Dodgers came into a lot of TV money. So timing was a part of that. At that time, Adrian Gonzalez had been productive in Boston but hasn't been in LA. So since he hasn't been producing as much in LA, he looks like a bumb with a bad contract but that wasn't the case when he was in Boston. So there's some distortion in terms of the big contracts Theo brought in because of what has transpired after the fact. Had Gonzalez stayed in Boston he might have continued to put up big seasons, but they had to include him in order to unload Crawford et al,

 

[Jntg4]

Lol at a couple top 100 prospects being "close" to what the Cubs have... We have 3 Top 15s.

 

[Bear Pride]

Lol at a couple top 100 prospects being "close" to what the Cubs have... We have 3 Top 15s.

Including the 1st and the 5th.

 

[DewsSox79]

Lol at a couple top 100 prospects being "close" to what the Cubs have... We have 3 Top 15s.

lol who cares. let me know when all these specs win you a title.

ps...remember fapping over vitters, 3rd overall pick. signed with rockies. but theos picks will all be perfect.


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[DewsSox79]

Let me convert White Sox fan-speak into English for you, chibears55. Duquette's players won the first Boston WS and Cherington was responsible for the second. Theo had nothing to do with either.

he had the one but also had very very very deep pockets.


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[DewsSox79]

theo needs to get to the playoffs with this cubs team in the next 2 seasons or it will continue to be a fail, a continue of specs that people fap about, and a continue of false hope.


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[ijustposthere]

To last year's 73 wins. I think they could do a 68 win and yet still call it a success unless the team is still playing the let's keep the specs in the minors game. Finding out about the youth and the litany of AAAA starters the Cubs have this year is extremely valuable.

No. How can you say the team is developing when they would be going backwards? If these guys come up and the Cubs are worse, it's a failed season. It's ridiculous to believe that they'd win less games and somehow be moving forward considering they won 73 games last year with less talent than they are fielding on the opening day roster this year. The only way I can see it being somewhat successful with fewer wins is if they deal with major injuries.

 

[ijustposthere]

I wouldn't be so sure on that point.

I would.

 

[Zvbxrpl]

lol who cares. let me know when all these specs win you a title.

ps...remember fapping over vitters, 3rd overall pick. signed with rockies. but theos picks will all be perfect.

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^This right here.

Can we please stop getting ahead of ourselves? Its okay to be excited--we all need to be after the past 3 years of being taken for a ride by management--

But can we have a little god damn common sense?

Teams have been tanking and drafting high in hopes to stockpile talent to put it toward winning a championship. For a century. The few success stories are in the history books. The rest you don't hear about because nobody gives a shit about the losers, and the talent laden teams that didn't make it.

All these top prospects mean nothing except for a spot on some "expert's" list which goes into a news column that 20 years ago was irrelevant because of the differences of dependency on media. 20 years ago, we didn't want in the face, up to the minute knowledge--now we do.

There are many ways to win a championship, and yes, drafting from the ground up and making smart additions much like the cubs are doing is the most successful recipe over time--unless you're the Yankees.

I wonder where some of you idiot meatballs will be when these prospects struggle.......because they're going to. Every prospect does. Get over it if you don't want to read it, cupcakes.

Success in baseball is all about adjustments and readjustments. If you hack at an outside breaking pitch that's thigh high like Rizzo did every time in 2013, guess what you're going to see until you learn to lay off or pull it? Guess what Rizzo did? Learned to lay off it and sometimes pull it in 2014, astonishing me--who was about ready to write him off (ask Silence).

If these kids live up to expectations, and I'll concede a couple will or will come very, VERY close--it wont be on day one of year one. I like Kris Bryant, but he's no generation changing player to me. And if I were a betting man--while he looks like a soon to be solid #3 hitter, he wont just turn it on and keep it on from day one.

There will be a lot of ups in 2015, and yes, for the first time in a couple years I'm a little excited to see. Nobody is more sick of me (maybe KB) of listening to talk isntead of doing.

But there are going to be some ugly downs. There are going to be guys who hack at low, thigh high finishing at the ankles breaking balls that they don't have a prayer at. People who pay attention to baseball must know this.

So be excited. Please. You deserve it, because you wannabe hockey Blackhawks fans keep pissing me off with your lack of knowledge when I'm trying to watch them in my old-man bar.

Just don't be Special person like a few people on this thread.

And can we drop the Cubs/White Sox thing? Nobody cares. The Sox have a couple good players I wish were North Siders and the Sox wish they could have a few of our guys too. They're in different divisions, different leagues, and see each other what, 3 times a year in 2015?

I want to beat the National League teams, especially the divisional rivals before I worry about some foreign team I couldn't care less about.

 

[brett05]

Lol at a couple top 100 prospects being "close" to what the Cubs have... We have 3 Top 15s.

Who said that????? Silly talk to say so

 

[2323]

^This right here.

Can we please stop getting ahead of ourselves? Its okay to be excited--we all need to be after the past 3 years of being taken for a ride by management--

But can we have a little god damn common sense?

Teams have been tanking and drafting high in hopes to stockpile talent to put it toward winning a championship. For a century. The few success stories are in the history books. The rest you don't hear about because nobody gives a shit about the losers, and the talent laden teams that didn't make it.

All these top prospects mean nothing except for a spot on some "expert's" list which goes into a news column that 20 years ago was irrelevant because of the differences of dependency on media. 20 years ago, we didn't want in the face, up to the minute knowledge--now we do.

There are many ways to win a championship, and yes, drafting from the ground up and making smart additions much like the cubs are doing is the most successful recipe over time--unless you're the Yankees.

I wonder where some of you idiot meatballs will be when these prospects struggle.......because they're going to. Every prospect does. Get over it if you don't want to read it, cupcakes.

Success in baseball is all about adjustments and readjustments. If you hack at an outside breaking pitch that's thigh high like Rizzo did every time in 2013, guess what you're going to see until you learn to lay off or pull it? Guess what Rizzo did? Learned to lay off it and sometimes pull it in 2014, astonishing me--who was about ready to write him off (ask Silence).

If these kids live up to expectations, and I'll concede a couple will or will come very, VERY close--it wont be on day one of year one. I like Kris Bryant, but he's no generation changing player to me. And if I were a betting man--while he looks like a soon to be solid #3 hitter, he wont just turn it on and keep it on from day one.

There will be a lot of ups in 2015, and yes, for the first time in a couple years I'm a little excited to see. Nobody is more sick of me (maybe KB) of listening to talk isntead of doing.

But there are going to be some ugly downs. There are going to be guys who hack at low, thigh high finishing at the ankles breaking balls that they don't have a prayer at. People who pay attention to baseball must know this.

So be excited. Please. You deserve it, because you wannabe hockey Blackhawks fans keep pissing me off with your lack of knowledge when I'm trying to watch them in my old-man bar.

Just don't be Special person like a few people on this thread.

And can we drop the Cubs/White Sox thing? Nobody cares. The Sox have a couple good players I wish were North Siders and the Sox wish they could have a few of our guys too. They're in different divisions, different leagues, and see each other what, 3 times a year in 2015?

I want to beat the National League teams, especially the divisional rivals before I worry about some foreign team I couldn't care less about.

No ones getting ahead of themselves. doosox is engineering comments you quoted through sarcasm because people are excited about having talent on the roster. Nothing more. So then the soxtrolls try to get out in front of this by resorting to sarcastic distortions or by saying the sox talent pipeline is just as good.

 

[2323]

lol who cares. let me know when all these specs win you a title.

ps...remember fapping over vitters, 3rd overall pick. signed with rockies. but theos picks will all be perfect.


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Trolls troll.

 

[brett05]

....by saying the sox talent pipeline is just as good.

Said only by Cub Fans