TGDT: 10/11 Blackhawks @ Sabres 6:00PM CSN

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Yeah but come on man, Hossa is a professional. If he sees that as some kind of personal slight, well then I guess he isn't as much a pro as I thought he was to get upset over something silly like that. It's time to see what guys like Skille can do. His place isn't the fourth line. It's obvious watching him. It wouldn't be demoting Kopecky as much as it would be putting in a situation where he is more likely to help the team. I like him in that grinder role, that's where he excels, that's where he can really help make up the loss of guys like Ladd. First line/second line is as much a waste of a position spot as Skille is to the fourth line.[/quote]





Again you are preaching to the quire. I also believe Kopecky has been good so far this year where he is. He has 3pts in 3 games and does some of the dirty work on that line. If he sucked I'd be all for it. If he makes Hossa productive I leave him where he is. JT needs to get some groove before game 14.

 

[sth]

Before I start I will say that I have a Bolland jersey so you know where my loyalties lie.



But why is Bolland being singled out as playing so bad? Other than Hossa, Skille, Bickell and a couple others everyone is off to a shaky start this year. Yesterday during the final two minutes he blocked about three shots during the 6 on 4. He has been getting his ass kicked on face-offs but he has been solid other than that. For all the people in an uproar about him being on the point for the PP I don't think any forwards should man a point for a PP. All it ever seems to do is lead to shorthanded breaks. I just think the blame should be spread equally on the whole team Toews, Keith and Kane included.

 

[Guest]

[quote name="sth"]Before I start I will say that I have a Bolland jersey so you know where my loyalties lie.



But why is Bolland being singled out as playing so bad? Other than Hossa, Skille, Bickell and a couple others everyone is off to a shaky start this year. Yesterday during the final two minutes he blocked about three shots during the 6 on 4. He has been getting his ass kicked on face-offs but he has been solid other than that. For all the people in an uproar about him being on the point for the PP I don't think any forwards should man a point for a PP. All it ever seems to do is lead to shorthanded breaks. I just think the blame should be spread equally on the whole team Toews, Keith and Kane included.[/quote]





Because certain players get an automatic pass.



There are quite a few players that have not found their groove. I'm waiting till game #20 to decide if the SC hangover is real for some players.



Seabrook

Keith

Toews



All usually start slow. Any more than 8 games and we'll see.



Stahlberg hasnt done one fucking thing as of yet. Pisani has been pretty quiet too but he's a PK God. Was huge yesterday.

 

[puckjim]

[quote name="R K"]I predict the Hawks will give him another mil more than he is making now and still be no where near the Cap. They will have at least 3 million left.[/quote]



Yep. Seabrook is a top pairing defenseman, and his salary will reflect that.



Anyone that thinks he isn't is cuckoo.

 

[Pez68]

Toews has played just fine. People concentrate way too much on him showing up on the score sheet. He has been involved in a few goals already, even if he doesn't get points for them. Leddy's goal never happens if Toews isn't battling hard in front of the net with the defenseman. That doesn't show up on the scoresheet because Toews missed the puck by half an inch and it went off the defenseman instead. Otherwise, he is tied with Kane for G/A. Toews has been his usual self in the defensive zone, and he has been a puck possession machine. Kopecky/Toews/Hossa has been our best even strength line, hands down, no question. Our second and third lines have been abysmal even strength.



If you're going to include Toews in that list of underperformers, you damn well better include Kane as well. He hasn't played nearly as well as Toews, especially in the DEFENSIVE zone. Kane has been on the ice for four goals against, which is tied with Hjalmarsson for worst on the team. He has also had a lot of issues passing the puck, and is turning it over a lot more than normal.



Stalberg is on the fourth line, playing minimal minutes. What do you expect him to do, aside from generate chances and keep the puck in the offensive zone? That is exactly what our fourth line has done, and they've been our second best even strength line. He isn't going to put up a point per game playing nine minutes a night dude...



Pisani should be bumped to the fourth line pronto. He has been an offensive sucking void, even worse than Madden was at the end of last season. Every time he gets the puck, he coughs it up, fans, or takes a bad shot, and it is coming back into our zone. Skille and Bickell should both be bumped up to the second and third lines, which moves Pisani down to the fourth. They have earned it.

 

[Pez68]

[quote name="sth"]Before I start I will say that I have a Bolland jersey so you know where my loyalties lie.



But why is Bolland being singled out as playing so bad? Other than Hossa, Skille, Bickell and a couple others everyone is off to a shaky start this year. Yesterday during the final two minutes he blocked about three shots during the 6 on 4. He has been getting his ass kicked on face-offs but he has been solid other than that. For all the people in an uproar about him being on the point for the PP I don't think any forwards should man a point for a PP. All it ever seems to do is lead to shorthanded breaks. I just think the blame should be spread equally on the whole team Toews, Keith and Kane included.[/quote]



16-32 in the circle is reason enough, I think. He's also been really bad with the puck, and not his usual self in the defensive zone. His faceoffs are just brutal. Hard to be a puck possession team when one of your centers only wins one out of every three faceoffs. Sharp has been bad in the circles too, but hasn't even taken half the faceoffs Bolland has taken. Our first line has been our best even strength line, and it all starts with Toews winning the faceoffs. Puck possession.

 

[Guest]

[quote name="Pez68"]Toews has played just fine. People concentrate way too much on him showing up on the score sheet. He has been involved in a few goals already, even if he doesn't get points for them. Leddy's goal never happens if Toews isn't battling hard in front of the net with the defenseman. That doesn't show up on the scoresheet because Toews missed the puck by half an inch and it went off the defenseman instead. Otherwise, he is tied with Kane for G/A. Toews has been his usual self in the defensive zone, and he has been a puck possession machine. Kopecky/Toews/Hossa has been our best even strength line, hands down, no question. Our second and third lines have been abysmal even strength.



If you're going to include Toews in that list of underperformers, you damn well better include Kane as well. He hasn't played nearly as well as Toews, especially in the DEFENSIVE zone. Kane has been on the ice for four goals against, which is tied with Hjalmarsson for worst on the team. He has also had a lot of issues passing the puck, and is turning it over a lot more than normal.



Stalberg is on the fourth line, playing minimal minutes. What do you expect him to do, aside from generate chances and keep the puck in the offensive zone? That is exactly what our fourth line has done, and they've been our second best even strength line. He isn't going to put up a point per game playing nine minutes a night dude...



Pisani should be bumped to the fourth line pronto. He has been an offensive sucking void, even worse than Madden was at the end of last season. Every time he gets the puck, he coughs it up, fans, or takes a bad shot, and it is coming back into our zone. Skille and Bickell should both be bumped up to the second and third lines, which moves Pisani down to the fourth. They have earned it.[/quote]





Let me know when you've seen Stalberg show his hands. I'm still waiting. So far you are teh ONLY one making that point. He's had almost more chances than Toews due to just that fact the line has been playing well. Could have had the Detroit game tied he chose not to shoot the puck. Had two clear chances last night, no hands. I want him to do well but so far I see, Salmalanian all over again. Dude.



And that line has been the best line because Hossa is a beast. Hands down, no question.

 

[Guest]

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16-32 in the circle is reason enough, I think. He's also been really bad with the puck, and not his usual self in the defensive zone. His faceoffs are just brutal. Hard to be a puck possession team when one of your centers only wins one out of every three faceoffs. Sharp has been bad in the circles too, but hasn't even taken half the faceoffs Bolland has taken. Our first line has been our best even strength line, and it all starts with Toews winning the faceoffs. Puck possession.[/quote]



Toews does it Defensively and the Circles, but needs to produce. He is playing with Hossa, while Kane is playing with Sharp. Hardly the same caliber there. Not to mention Kane has Pisani on his line. Doh...



Last night with Bickell that line was better. Hell for the first three minutes last night the ONLY shot on goal was Kaner. Not to mention he scored the first goal, a HUGE goal being down 0-2.







OK.

 

[Ashor-redtribe]

I really think once Campbell comes back, the D well shape up better and we will get those 3-1 or 4-1 hawks wins and our speed and powerplay will pick up like what we saw in preseason. We all saw when he got hurt last year against the Caps the slump we went through, he is a vidal part of our D and offense. Still to early in the season. RK, any word on Soups return?

 

[LaurenNMU]

[quote name="Pez68"]



16-32 in the circle is reason enough, I think. He's also been really bad with the puck, and not his usual self in the defensive zone. His faceoffs are just brutal. Hard to be a puck possession team when one of your centers only wins one out of every three faceoffs. Sharp has been bad in the circles too, but hasn't even taken half the faceoffs Bolland has taken. Our first line has been our best even strength line, and it all starts with Toews winning the faceoffs. Puck possession.[/quote]





Maybe Bolly just needs a haircut...no?

 

[Guest]

[quote name="acco-redtribe"]I really think once Campbell comes back, the D well shape up better and we will get those 3-1 or 4-1 hawks wins and our speed and powerplay will pick up like what we saw in preseason. We all saw when he got hurt last year against the Caps the slump we went through, he is a vidal part of our D and offense. Still to early in the season. RK, any word on Soups return?[/quote]



Last I heard he was going to start skating next week or the week after. Other than that I have not seen hm.

 

[Pez68]

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Toews does it Defensively and the Circles, but needs to produce. He is playing with Hossa, while Kane is playing with Sharp. Hardly the same caliber there. Not to mention Kane has Pisani on his line. Doh...



Last night with Bickell that line was better. Hell for the first three minutes last night the ONLY shot on goal was Kaner. Not to mention he scored the first goal, a HUGE goal being down 0-2.







OK.[/quote]



I agree to an extent, but faceoffs are absolutely huge for a puck possession team. People disimiss faceoffs way too quickly when talking about how a team or line is playing. The tone for the PP, PK, and quite a bit of even strength shifts are set by that initial faceoff and gaining possession. Why does Toews need to produce if his line is producing, drawing penalties, and they're not scoring when he's on the ice? He IS producing, it's just not showing up on the scoresheet. Those points will come, they always do. We have this argument every year on this board about Toews putting up points, and it is really getting old. Toews is the last guy we should be talking about right now as far as "underperforming" is concerned.



Kane always seems to get the shaft more often than not when it comes to linemates. Why Brouwer, Bickell, Skille, or SOMEONE hasn't been moved up to that line, I don't know. Pisani has been hot garbage outside of the PK. Sharp was our best player in that first game, so it's not like Kane is playing alone out there... Personally, with the way Hossa is playing, I would switch Toews with Sharp, and move Bickell/Brouwer into that LW spot with Toews/Kane.

 

[Guest]

[quote name="Pez68"]



I agree to an extent, but faceoffs are absolutely huge for a puck possession team. People disimiss faceoffs way too quickly when talking about how a team or line is playing. The tone for the PP, PK, and quite a bit of even strength shifts are set by that initial faceoff and gaining possession. Why does Toews need to produce if his line is producing, drawing penalties, and they're not scoring when he's on the ice? He IS producing, it's just not showing up on the scoresheet. Those points will come, they always do. We have this argument every year on this board about Toews putting up points, and it is really getting old. Toews is the last guy we should be talking about right now as far as "underperforming" is concerned.



Kane always seems to get the shaft more often than not when it comes to linemates. Why Brouwer, Bickell, Skille, or SOMEONE hasn't been moved up to that line, I don't know. Pisani has been hot garbage outside of the PK. Sharp was our best player in that first game, so it's not like Kane is playing alone out there... Personally, with the way Hossa is playing, I would switch Toews with Sharp, and move Bickell/Brouwer into that LW spot with Toews/Kane.[/quote]





JT has a history of slow starts. It's because he does the other things, like the face offs you mentioned, that he doesn't get more flack. You watch Hossa and know he's the one thats running that line. Look at the break away last night. Or the second goal he sniped between Millers pad and Glove. Amazing.



Once Q starts something he has to change it on his own or it doesn't get changed. I hope your right about stahlberg and more minutes gets him more productive. I have yet to see him finish in three games and have multiple opportunities too.

 

[Ashor-redtribe]

God :doh: why is it taking so long to find out the what hammer is getting the call was for 12 pm.

 

[Buryit Toews]

[quote name="acco-redtribe"]God :doh: why is it taking so long to find out the what hammer is getting the call was for 12 pm.[/quote]



Because it takes awhile to get thru this..



http://www.downgoesbrown.com/2009/11/nhl-suspensions.html

 

[Gemini13]

[quote name="R K"]I predict the Hawks will give him another mil more than he is making now and still be no where near the Cap. They will have at least 3 million left.[/quote]



If he's willing to sign an extension for a mil more than fantastic but if he goes to UFA look out....

 

[Gemini13]

[quote name="puckjim"]



Yep. Seabrook is a top pairing defenseman, and his salary will reflect that.



Anyone that thinks he isn't is cuckoo.[/quote]



I don't recall anyone saying he wasn't a top pairing d-man........

 

[Larmer83]

[quote name="Pez68"]

Kane always seems to get the shaft more often than not when it comes to linemates. Why Brouwer, Bickell, Skille, or SOMEONE hasn't been moved up to that line, I don't know. Pisani has been hot garbage outside of the PK. Sharp was our best player in that first game, so it's not like Kane is playing alone out there... Personally, with the way Hossa is playing, I would switch Toews with Sharp, and move Bickell/Brouwer into that LW spot with Toews/Kane.[/quote]

Bickell was playing with with Sharp and Kane last night. It was Bickell that found Hossa for the breakaway after Kane and Sharp left the ice for a change.



Also, Stalberg and Skille skated with Bolland in the back half of the game. Could have been more than that but it didn't register for me until the 3rd period

 

[PatrickShart]

Since Olympic break...including playoffs and this year -



Kopecky - 36gms - 10g - 8a - 18pts - +11 - 66 sog

Brouwer - 39gms - 8g - 10a -18pts - -1 - 53 sog

Ladd - 42gms - 10g - 9a - 19pts - +2 - 70 sog (for TCD only)



I like Brouwer, and even supported/liked him his first year in the league when it wasnt fashionable. I always thought he was a smart player, good positionally and did alot of good things on the ice. Brouwer's game suited his line when playing with Toews and Kane at the time. I think the same of Kopecky...and he suits playing with Toews and Hossa well for reasons I explained earlier. Not sure what he's done to move him off the line, he's been pretty productive - as its been noted by a few here - since the Olympic break, so why not keep him there?



I think Skille/Stalberg have caused some havoc with their speed....I know in each of the last 2 games Viktor has created PP opportunites as well. I dont see any reason to split them up. Although Pisani hasnt done much 5 on 5 ...his PK is stellar.

 

[Maiden]

[quote name="R K"]





Let me know when you've seen Stalberg show his hands. I'm still waiting. So far you are teh ONLY one making that point. He's had almost more chances than Toews due to just that fact the line has been playing well. Could have had the Detroit game tied he chose not to shoot the puck. Had two clear chances last night, no hands. I want him to do well but so far I see, Salmalanian all over again. Dude.



And that line has been the best line because Hossa is a beast. Hands down, no question.[/quote]



Stalberg belongs in the KHL..........................