TGDT: 11/10 Coyotes @ Blackhawks 7:30PM CSN

[R K]

Jaekel?



IMO Skille was the best Hawk on the ice tonight. Hes not making money to carry this team, hes making money to spark the big guns... so far he has sent the message and they haven't responded. That's the way I see it.

Anyone who bitches about Jack Skille tonight, a guy making 500k per year, playing his ass off, is a fucking idiot.

 

[R K]

And once again I'd like to call out COACH Q...



FIND SOME FUCKING LINES AND STICK WITH THEM.





Kopecky SUCKS AT CENTER. Just so you know.



KANE AND TOEWS play best as a pair.



SHARP should be Centering HOSSA.....



**** ME Q you SUCK RIGHT NOW!!!

 

[Ton]

out of the entire game all you can do is bash the guy who was putting the most effort on the ice.



Why don't you call out the vet boynton who fucking caused both goals against?



or the 6 million $$ Captain who has 1 goal in 8 games.



Or the 6 million $$ Kane who is like wise....



Or the 6 million $$ Hossa who has done nothing since his return...



Or the Norris trophy winner who was on the ice for both goals against. Even though they were both Boynton.



Or the SC winning coach who pulls lines straight from his ass, and puts them on the ice. The line combo's tonight were fucked and he kept fucking them the entire game.



But no, you pop on to ***** about a fucking 3rd line player.



DOH!!!!

How was the two-on-one Boyntons fault? Kane passed it to Keith, it jumped his stick and left Boynton to dry with Turco on a two-on-one.



Nearly the same thing happened with Turris undressing him on the two-on-one as well.

 

[R K]

Thought Skille played a great game and sure he had some great opportunities that he didn't capitalize on but at least he CREATED the opportunities with hard work and getting involved in the play, which you can't say for about 3/4 of the team tonight.



I've noticed this, but when the opposition is coming into the Hawks zone on the attack, our defensemen are positioning themselves so that incoming attacker takes the middle of the ice. I was always taught that you force them to the boards as they have lesser net to shoot on and a worse odds to score. Seabs was the worst at it tonight and gave away a lot of chances for the middle of the zone.



Just checked the box score and noticed that Keith was in the lineup.



Turco let in a softy with the slapper.



I did notice this more considering it was a live game and you can see the entire ice compared to a broadcast, but Kane and Toews take a lot of wacks and are pushed around a lot. I'll give them credit that they take their licks and keep going as if nothing happened.



The whole team took shifts off tonight when they really should have buried the 'yotes. I have to think that Q is losing his mind, but then again calling a time out after the 'yotes iced the puck and had a tired line out there kind of through me for a loop. I figured you go to your secondary players who have stamina like Sharpie, Kopecky, Brouwer, then take a time out and lose the advantage. Then again, there's a good reason why I'm up in the stands and not on the bench!

Not a chance. Boynton miss played his guy on a 2 on 1 break away.



TWICE!!!

 

[R K]

How was the two-on-one Boyntons fault? Kane passed it to Keith, it jumped his stick and left Boynton to dry with Turco on a two-on-one.

Boynton played it way to close to his goalie. Turco never had a chance.



Boynton crowds the opposing player and he never gets the pass off for the shot.





And BOTH coyote goals were 2 on 1.





After Turris scored I looked over to my seat partner and said, "Yup we should have drafted Turris"... He laughed!

 

[Ton]

Boynton played it way to close to his goalie. Turco never had a chance.



Boynton crowds the opposing player and he never gets the pass off for the shot.





And BOTH coyote goals were 2 on 1.





After Turris scored I looked over to my seat partner and said, "Yup we should have drafted Turris"... He laughed!

I would blame Keith for leaving Boynton out to dry, why was he in that situation in the first place? Should of never happen had Keith not fucked up in the first place.



Besides... Keith/Boynton? WTF is Q doing?



We've been saying it since the beginning of the year (you know, when we won 4 games in a row).... Stalberg/Toews/Kane.... Kopecky/Sharp/Hossa.... throw Brouwer up there from time to time and LEAVE IT!



What were the lines today? I can't even recall... at one point I saw Kane/Dowell/Pisani out there for a shift for about 35 seconds... then Bickell hopped on the ice and scored.



They were so freakin whacky today I think everyone honestly played together at some point.

 

[R K]

I agree. I'm chalking up these losses to Q now. 100%.



Seabrook and Hjarlmarsson looked pretty good tonight.



In the 3rd period Q used 8 line combination's. And those were just for the top two lines.



Pisani, Kane, Hossa, Brower, Sharp, Toews were all out there in different line combo's.



EIGHT OF THEM! Dumb ****.

 

[the canadian dream]

And once again I'd like to call out COACH Q...



FIND SOME FUCKING LINES AND STICK WITH THEM.





Kopecky SUCKS AT CENTER. Just so you know.



KANE AND TOEWS play best as a pair.



SHARP should be Centering HOSSA.....



**** ME Q you SUCK RIGHT NOW!!!

Yah he does. Not sure what is going on in his mind at the moment. Overthinking? Not a clue. I thought he nailed the 2nd/3rd lines tonight but then he just mangled the top 2. Don't want to talk about his pairing choices on the blueline tonight at all..they were a disgrace. But yah Q didn't tweek his lines tonight he built a new engine is what he did and a real shity engine at that. Wouldn't even put that sucker in my wagon.

 

[roshinaya]

Obviously Q is going to scramble the lines more so than he usually does when the team keeps losing these one goal games. If it's good thing or not is debatable. For me it looks like Q is at a loss on how to get the team to give a solid 60 minute performance. The combinations he has tried so far, granted there have been injuries, have been the stuff you could imagine getting from a monkey drawing names from a hat. I honestly see no sort of logic or reason behind what coach Q is trying to do here.



Is it me or have most of the losses been very similar, Hawks take the lead, allow a couple (quick?) goals and keep trying to tie it up, sometimes succeeding or letting up a game winner in the final moments of the 3rd?



I can't really see what could be the problem with these guys. The stars on the team have been inconsistent at best or downright awful. And the support guys aren't good enough to compensate for the lack of production from the "big guns" but at least they are trying their best. The main blame should be on the leaders and premium players, your best players need to be the best.

 

[bookjones]

out of the entire game all you can do is bash the guy who was putting the most effort on the ice.



Why don't you call out the vet boynton who fucking caused both goals against?



or the 6 million $ Captain who has 1 goal in 8 games.

Or the 6 million $ Kane who is like wise....

Or the 6 million $ Hossa who has done nothing since his return...

Or the Norris trophy winner who was on the ice for both goals against. Even though they were both Boynton.

Or the SC winning coach who pulls lines straight from his ass, and puts them on the ice. The line combo's tonight were fucked and he kept fucking them the entire game.



But no, you pop on to ***** about a fucking 3rd line player.



DOH!!!!

Agreed about Skille! And actually about the newbie forwards in general. The $500K per newbies are NOT the problem here---Stalberg has goals, Pisani has goals, Dowell too. At this juncture of nearly 20 games in this shit for attitude hockey is ALL on the 12 returning players as far as I am concerned. I don't care if you're talking about forward lines or defensive pairings, if you're the newly-minted SC champion vet, you're supposed to elevate (esp. during such an extraordinarily challenging season) your game and make newbies around YOU better not the other way around.



And because when I am this hella pissed at them I prefer to go by their ACTUAL salaries for the season as opposed to their deceptively comforting cap hits to keep some measure of true fiscal perspective. You were too kind by far RK so that's:

Why don't you call out the vet boynton who fucking caused both goals against?



or the 6 million $ 6.5 million $ Captain who has 1 goal in 8 games.



Or the 6 million $ 6.5 million $ Kane who is like wise....



Or the 6 million $ 7.9 million $ Hossa who has done nothing since his return...



Or the 8 million $ Norris trophy winner who was on the ice for both goals against. Even though they were both Boynton.



Or the likely no less than 1 - 1.5 million $ SC winning coach who pulls lines straight from his ass, and puts them on the ice. The line combo's tonight were fucked and he kept fucking them the entire game.

And for good measure I'll round it out with the 4.1 million $ Sharp, the 3.5 million $ Hjalmarsson, the 3.5 million $ Seabrook, and 3.4 million $ Bolland! Oh, and even though it's not a lot of coin I feel he deserves especial lambasting because he's been all Casper the Non-Contributing Ghost all season the 1 million $ Brouwer!



Grrrrrrrr.

ETA: Seriously people complaining about newbies? You take the actual salaries above minus the pittances of even Brouwer and Kopecky but then add in Campbell and that's $50 goddamn million of a $55 million cap for the Hawks this season tied up in 9 goddamn players and folks really want to talk about the players who are part of the remaining $5 million cash grab like they are the issue that's really at issue? Ridiculous. You add back in Brouwer and Kopecky and that's another $2 million in returning player salary so then it's $52 million of a $55 million cap in 11 players and only $3 million left for everyone else to scramble for. Yeah, the onus to perform and deliver is really on the newbies---RME.

 

[the canadian dream]

Obviously Q is going to scramble the lines more so than he usually does when the team keeps losing these one goal games. If it's good thing or not is debatable. For me it looks like Q is at a loss on how to get the team to give a solid 60 minute performance. The combinations he has tried so far, granted there have been injuries, have been the stuff you could imagine getting from a monkey drawing names from a hat. I honestly see no sort of logic or reason behind what coach Q is trying to do here.



Is it me or have most of the losses been very similar, Hawks take the lead, allow a couple (quick?) goals and keep trying to tie it up, sometimes succeeding or letting up a game winner in the final moments of the 3rd?



I can't really see what could be the problem with these guys. The stars on the team have been inconsistent at best or downright awful. And the support guys aren't good enough to compensate for the lack of production from the "big guns" but at least they are trying their best. The main blame should be on the leaders and premium players, your best players need to be the best.

Good post Rosh. Those are the words i try to say but it usually comes out "Dowel bad Kane make bad pass me angry"!! "Me go eat now"

 

[Pez68]

The returning players are, without a doubt, the problem with this team right now. Along with the returning coach. I'm at a total loss to be honest. I think we need some big money players sitting in the press box next game to send a fucking message that this is unacceptable. It's absolutely a lack of focus and hunger right now. Troy Murray said it in the last two weeks, and Steve Konroyd mentioned it again as well. The other teams are just hungrier than the Hawks, and it shows. They are winning the individual battles. Then, the other team scores, and this team just collapses. That's where you miss a guy like Ladd the most. Someone that will go out there and play with a mean, nasty fucking edge the next couple shifts, and get the team going again. Hell, all of the guys that the Hawks dumped this summer could go out there and play nasty hockey. This team is soft, soft, soft. Kyle Beach would be a welcome addition. I don't give a **** if he's a rookie, his left nut has a bigger mean streak than 90% of this team.



And, people are still complaining about Skille? Are you fucking serious? He was the best forward on the ice tonight. Last I checked, our fucking "stars" aren't scoring either. How about calling them out, instead of calling out the kid that is busting balls out there, and creating scoring chances PRETTY MUCH ENTIRELY BY HIMSELF. And, yet, he's still not getting rewarded for it.



Our "big guns" need a gigantic kick in the ass. Oh, and if Kane skates off to the bench when his teammates are involved in a scrum after the whistle again, someone should kick his fucking ass in practice. I don't give a **** how big you are, or what your role is on this team, you get in there and help your teammates and grab a guy and at least tie him up. You don't skate off the fucking ice and leave your teammates hanging out there. That's one of those unwritten rules that even applies in fucking men's league hockey.

 

[Pez68]

By the way, just some fun stats for you guys.



This team has given up TEN goals either in the first minute of a period, or the last minute of a period.



Seven of their nine losses, they were tied or winning in the third.



The Hawks have yielded eight goals, on the shift immediately following a goal scored.



This screams lack of focus, and looks like a team that is just going through the motions to me.

 

[the canadian dream]

Im having a few little issues with Kane myself Pez. There were things he did tonight where I was "that's not Kane out there". He was watching his passes!!! Nothing drives me nuts more than a player who watches his passes and stops skating. I want the Kane back that wheels around going to the open spots after he passes off the puck. His passing is still great but he isn't the same Kane after the puck is passed right now. He did it 2 times tonight including the great pass he made to Seabs. I wanted him driving to the net looking for the rebound or off to the side of the net looking for the return pass. He skated a straight line to the corner boards. YIKES!!



That's not a slam on Kaner. We all know his talents but he isn't the same Kane right now we all know. Not sure if he has been all season to be honest.

 

[Kerfuffle]

Oh, and if Kane skates off to the bench when his teammates are involved in a scrum after the whistle again, someone should kick his fucking ass in practice. I don't give a **** how big you are, or what your role is on this team, you get in there and help your teammates and grab a guy and at least tie him up. You don't skate off the fucking ice and leave your teammates hanging out there. That's one of those unwritten rules that even applies in fucking men's league hockey.

Agreed and glad you mentioned this instead of me cause I would get in trouble for saying that. But I saw the same thing you did last night and it ticked me off. Another guy who seems to always walk away in these situations is Campbell. I remember last year he would stand out at the blue line while the melee ensued around the goal area. Get your butt in there and help out.

 

[phranchk]

I agree. I'm chalking up these losses to Q now. 100%.



Seabrook and Hjarlmarsson looked pretty good tonight.



In the 3rd period Q used 8 line combination's. And those were just for the top two lines.



Pisani, Kane, Hossa, Brower, Sharp, Toews were all out there in different line combo's.



EIGHT OF THEM! Dumb ****.

Really? It was Q that's made the players play like ass? Give me a break. They've had plenty of opportunities to score and haven't finished. It's the stupid defensive gaffes that are costing this team. Q's line juggling was not the cause of 2 goals against in 35 seconds. Nor was it for the 2 goals against in 14 seconds on Sunday.

Q juggled lines just as much last year. Including in the playoffs. He's been notorious for it since he's been here.

It's the players not playing to their caliber that are losing us games. They're mentally fatigued and making stupid mistakes.

 

[thanson1990]

Campbell probably was waiting out by the blue line so they didn't lose the offensive zone faceoff. It's not about helping out, its about playing smart. I'm sure that if he felt they needed him he would have.



As for what pez brought up about kane, thats a whole different story.

 

[Tim]

The Cup hangover is getting old. Seems like the boys forgot how to play a full 60 minutes.

 

[roshinaya]

The Cup hangover is getting old. Seems like the boys forgot how to play a full 60 minutes.

I remember that this was a problem at times during last season as well. They managed to get out of that slump and odds are they will do it again this year.

 

[TJD]

Really? It was Q that's made the players play like ass? Give me a break. They've had plenty of opportunities to score and haven't finished. It's the stupid defensive gaffes that are costing this team. Q's line juggling was not the cause of 2 goals against in 35 seconds. Nor was it for the 2 goals against in 14 seconds on Sunday.

Q juggled lines just as much last year. Including in the playoffs. He's been notorious for it since he's been here.

It's the players not playing to their caliber that are losing us games. They're mentally fatigued and making stupid mistakes.

I have to agree. Q juggling lines isn't the main problem. It's guys like Kane, Sharp, Hossa, Keith, Seabrook all playing like shit. It's embarrassing and kind of sad that the fans come out to watch them play and they can't even give the people who make the league possible a decent effort.