The 2012 Chicago White Sox Roster Discussion Thread

[TheChicagoFan]

My opinion on Beckham is that he's a good hitter and will be a good hitter. He just has to have the opportunity and the confidence.

Like when he was hitting the 2 hole he said that he wasn't thinking about mechanics and stuff he just went up there and hit. I think the whole focusing and always changing mechanics was due to Greg Walker and that's why he's changed that a little bit this year. If he can just use that attitude in the 9 spot too, he could probably hit. A lot of it is mental.

 

[Capt. Serious]

I hope in the winter Kenny packages him for a 2nd baseman that can field & actually hit.

 

[TheChicagoFan]

I hope in the winter Kenny packages him for a 2nd baseman that can field & actually hit.

Who would you suggest? Second basemen isn't a power position or a position that's going to be fantastic at hitting. You're not gonna get Pedroia, Cano, or Kinsler.

 

[Gunzaan]

Who would you suggest? Second basemen isn't a power position or a position that's going to be fantastic at hitting. You're not gonna get Pedroia, Cano, or Kinsler.

While I completely agree with you, we aren't going to be finding a hitting second basemen unless we draft one, Beckham is absolutely awful at hitting. People are going to ***** about it because it's frustrating to watch him throw away at-bat after at-bat after at-bat

 

[brett05]

how many games did Dunn have Morel,Beckham ETC batting in front of him before youk came? thats what i thought.

Percentage of rbi hasn't changed much for Dunn. He leaves way too many on the pond. I am not sure how you miss that.

 

[brett05]

Just bat him in the two hole, move Youkie to Paulie's spot and switch paulie to the 3 hole. That could work out nicely I think.

 

[DewsSox79]

Percentage of rbi hasn't changed much for Dunn. He leaves way too many on the pond. I am not sure how you miss that.

lol!!!!!!

.222/.345/.834 with runners in scoring position. try again.

 

[DewsSox79]

Just bat him in the two hole, move Youkie to Paulie's spot and switch paulie to the 3 hole. That could work out nicely I think.

youk is not a cleanup hitter. you have your first 3 tops in the league at seeing pitches. you dont change that.

 

[brett05]

youk is not a cleanup hitter. you have your first 3 tops in the league at seeing pitches. you dont change that.

1) Youkie is not a traditional 4, but he's played it and played it well in the past. The WHite Sox need to see more runs and more contact provides us with that.

 

[TheChicagoFan]

While I completely agree with you, we aren't going to be finding a hitting second basemen unless we draft one, Beckham is absolutely awful at hitting. People are going to ***** about it because it's frustrating to watch him throw away at-bat after at-bat after at-bat

I agree that he's not hitting well right now, but getting someone this winter is not how it's going to be solved. Sox can draft a short stop that might be a 2B or 3B even. That's fine. But getting rid of Beckham right now or even this winter isn't going to solve anything.

 

[DewsSox79]

myers has dirty stuff.

 

[nickofypres]

Percentage of rbi hasn't changed much for Dunn. He leaves way too many on the pond. I am not sure how you miss that.

I really hate judging players by RBIs. RBI is a team stat.

 

[brett05]

I really hate judging players by RBIs. RBI is a team stat.

I understand that as well, but it has it's value. If you have 50 rbi, with say 150 chances that's 33% Same guy has 40 RBI with 100 chances, cleany the 40 RBI guy is better.

 

[DewsSox79]

I understand that as well, but it has it's value. If you have 50 rbi, with say 150 chances that's 33% Same guy has 40 RBI with 100 chances, cleany the 40 RBI guy is better.

no. just no


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[TheChicagoFan]

myers has dirty stuff.

He also beat his wife. So I hate him.

 

[Capt. Serious]

Just can't admit that Rios > Dunn. Sorry, i'll take the better overall player over a one dimensional hitter.

 

[nickofypres]

I understand that as well, but it has it's value. If you have 50 rbi, with say 150 chances that's 33% Same guy has 40 RBI with 100 chances, cleany the 40 RBI guy is better.

Just because more guys get on base for player A instead of player B doesn't make him better, or more clutch.

Here's the way I look at it.

Scenario A.) Top of the first two outs: Adam Dunn walks, first pitch Konerko sees is out of the Park, Sox lead it 2-0
Scenario B.) Top of the first with two outs: Adam Dunn strikesout. Bottom of the second Konerko comes to plat, first pitch he sees is out of the Park. Sox lead it 1-0.

Konerko still gets the same hit. But because Dunn walked in scenario A, it was in the first inning instead of the second inning.

 

[nickofypres]

Just can't admit that Rios > Dunn. Sorry, i'll take the better overall player over a one dimensional hitter.

I don't think its fair to say one is better since they have different approaches.

Dunn is going to either walk, strike out, or hit home runs. Always has, always will.
Rios is can hit for average, some power, get-on base, and steal. More well rounded I guess.


That said.
I would take 9 Dunns in a line up, over 9 Rios.

Team would clog bases a lot, but there's also a good chance for a lot of 3-run shots and grand slams. On base plus power. Oh yeah. :fap:

 

[DewsSox79]

I don't think its fair to say one is better since they have different approaches.

Dunn is going to either walk, strike out, or hit home runs. Always has, always will.
Rios is can hit for average, some power, get-on base, and steal. More well rounded I guess.


That said.
I would take 9 Dunns in a line up, over 9 Rios.

Team would clog bases a lot, but there's also a good chance for a lot of 3-run shots and grand slams. On base plus power. Oh yeah. :fap:

Dont forget that minus last year he has been consistent with his approach, and what he is, a slugger. Rios is up and down and is finally earning a paycheck...finally.

I would also take 9 dunns all day long over rios. there isnt a debate here.

 

[TheChicagoFan]

Why do we even have to argue who is better between Dunn and Rios? They're on the same fucking team and you should be glad that the Sox have a great true DH like Dunn has been this year. And you should also be glad that a guy like Rios is hitting like he is batting 5th in the lineup.

Not sure why there has to be an argument. Not like one is going to sit for the other. They play together and are in the lineup together most of the time. They both bring in runs.