The Chicago Bulls are ranked 27th in offense. Here's why, and how Hoiberg can fix it

[The Hawk]

Lol Krause assembled the baby bulls...

Yeah, what a genius that guy was for inheriting Michael Jordan. Once the GOAT player and coach left, the team he assembled was up there with the present 6ers.

We're in the middle of a rebuild and management isn't saying it. I think once December 14th rolls around and everyone is fair game to be traded, we'll see a move. Just don't expect too much with the pieces we have. I'm guessing they'll move a big for a wing and open up playing time for Portis but this team won't have a chance to add a real game changer until Rose's contract is up and we have the money to sign someone. That doesn't mean we'll be lucky enough to sign a franchise guy, but we don't have a way of acquiring one until then...and that's really what this team needs since their former franchise player deteriorated after injuries.

Krause had a LOT to do with that great team(s). Remember that trade for Pippin? The drafting of Horace Grant. Luc was a good fit. Bringing Rodman in was genius. The snipers from the bench as in Kerr and Paxson. Don't forget bring Phil Jackson in as well as the guru of their offense. Unfortunately both Reinny and Krause ended up pissing off Jordan and Jackson and they left way too soon.

 

[Enasic]

Krause had a LOT to do with that great team(s). Remember that trade for Pippin? The drafting of Horace Grant. Luc was a good fit. Bringing Rodman in was genius. The snipers from the bench as in Kerr and Paxson. Don't forget bring Phil Jackson in as well as the guru of their offense. Unfortunately both Reinny and Krause ended up pissing off Jordan and Jackson and they left way too soon.

So what you're saying is Krause was able to build a team around Michael Jordan? Fascinating.

When that ship sailed what did he do? Oh yeah, assembled one of the worst teams ever created, year in and year out. If Pax were responsible for that, I think you would literally die of hatred and disappointment before you could even express it on here.

 

[Enasic]

Thibs he should have been moved before the team was tired of him. Like I said the failure is they waited for all of the value to go to make the move. Either be smart enough to make the move ahead of time or ride it out till the end. Next season was the end, when you look at this team.

What do you mean they waited too long? Are you suggesting they should have tried to trade him or fire him before last year? Now you're just looking at things to complain about. With Rose supposedly finally coming back healthy last season, they gave Thibs one last chance with a very deep team. Unfortunately, they didn't get it done and they moved on. The timing was fine. Spot on, really.

 

[czman]

What do you mean they waited too long? Are you suggesting they should have tried to trade him or fire him before last year? Now you're just looking at things to complain about. With Rose supposedly finally coming back healthy last season, they gave Thibs one last chance with a very deep team. Unfortunately, they didn't get it done and they moved on. The timing was fine. Spot on, really.

I wanted him gone after they Nets. Once they missed that window I as ok with last off season. The timing was crap. If you don't see that I don't care. This team is not suited well long term.

 

[Enasic]

I wanted him gone after they Nets. Once they missed that window I as ok with last off season. The timing was crap. If you don't see that I don't care. This team is not suited well long term.

Well congrats, you're the only person I ever heard that expressed they wanted Thibs gone that long ago. Especially after advancing past the 1st round and stealing a game against Miami without Derrick Rose and Luol Deng. I'm impressed.

 

[Axl Rose]

Williams, Crawford, Artest, Curry, Tyson coulda been a squad if everything went right

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Who exactly are these "lazy, soft, and washed up players"? I agree with you totally about the team being unbalanced. Its been unbalanced for years. Garfield and Fred, never gave Thibs the players that he wanted either. Two loser management pukes did it to both of them. This team will never win a title with Garfield and Pax along with the real estate guru, Reinny. It was luck that he hired Jackson on the cheap and got extremely lucky to get Pippen and Jordan. Crumbs Krause knew talent also to fill in the pieces to fit Jackson's triangle offense. What has Garfield and dunce done?

Jordan was drafted in 1984. Reinsdorf became owner in 1985. How does this fact escape you in the age of Google?

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Things where not fine under Thibs and I was one of the most outspoken against his flaws. Thibs was flawed. The team fit him though. What if the Bulls had kept Thibs and traded Gibson and Mcdermott for Batun. They would have been the best team Thibs would have had a chance to coach and a very good hit for him. In stead they fire him and do not blow it up.

Some people thought they could just bring in a offensive minded coach and everything would work out. That was delusional. the Bulls are stilla good team. They are still going to make the payoffs. They are further from a countertenor. Thibs should have been given one more year with a real SF/SG combination. That way the Bulls could have made the change with more cap room and made it easier transition.

Or

They should have let him go after they Beat the Nets a few years ago when his value was at its peak and they could have gotten a pick for him plus dealt the players when they had more value.

They sold at the wrong time.

Who said that?

 

[Enasic]

Williams, Crawford, Artest, Curry, Tyson coulda been a squad if everything went right

Things would have had to go extremely right.

William was going to be a player. It's a shame he got in that accident.

But Krause traded Artest and Elton Brand when Elton was a proven commodity and our best player. Tyson took a LONG time to develop and still never lived up to his draft status. Curry was a fat, lazy, one dimensional player who's not even in the league anymore.

You can't ignore results. The results were that Krause completely butchered building a team from scratch and Pax had to come in and clean up the mess.

 

[Scoot26]

Jordan was drafted in 1984. Reinsdorf became owner in 1985. How does this fact escape you in the age of Google?

We all know The Hawk is simply a broken record.

 

[Enasic]

The hawk has to be a troll right? No one could be that clueless could they?

 

[The Hawk]

So what you're saying is Krause was able to build a team around Michael Jordan? Fascinating.

When that ship sailed what did he do? Oh yeah, assembled one of the worst teams ever created, year in and year out. If Pax were responsible for that, I think you would literally die of hatred and disappointment before you could even express it on here.

There have been a horde of GMs unable to assemble a single championship team around one superstar let alone a dynasty. Krause had his faults and certainly so did Reinny. I am not denying that but Krause did know talent. But what Reinny and Krause did when they ran Jordan, Pippin, and Rodman out of town poisoned the franchise for years up to the present point in time.

The present team is stuck in neutral and will decline with this ownership and management group. When Rose, Gasol, Noah, and Gibson leave, all they will have left is Butler. Oh and of course that survivor in the back court, Captain Hinrich who will probably be playing in a wheelchair before he hangs them up

 

[The Hawk]

Jordan was drafted in 1984. Reinsdorf became owner in 1985. How does this fact escape you in the age of Google?

I believe that I said that they were LUCKY to get Jordan whose teams didn't win much until Jackson came on and Krause built a premier team under Krause. Instead of insulting me, why don't you stick to the argument that I posed?

 

[The Hawk]

We all know The Hawk is simply a broken record.

Why don't you stick to being a "mod" instead of laying out insult after insult to me? This is supposed to be a place to discuss basketball. I shouldn't have to tell you that. If my opinions don't happen to agree with yours then argue your point if you can gather up enough information to make your case. I doubt that you can do it though based on your pettiness.

 

[Enasic]

Their have been a horde of GMs unable to assemble a single championship team around one superstar let alone a dynasty. Krause had his faults and certainly so did Reinny. I am not denying that but Krause did know talent. But what Reinny and Krause did when they ran Jordan, Pippin, and Rodman out of town poisoned the franchise for years up to the present point in time.

The present team is stuck in neutral and will decline with this ownership and management group. When Rose, Gasol, Noah, and Gibson leave, all they will have left is Butler. Oh and of course that survivor in the back court, Captain Hinrich who will probably be playing in a wheelchair before he hangs them up

If Krause knew talent the baby bulls would never have happened. He butchered his chance to build a team from the ground up. Absolutely butchered. He did some ok things with Jordan and company. However, when you have the GOAT on your team, your job isn't very difficult. He was handed the most important and toughest piece to acquire and that is finding a franchise guy...and he got, not only a franchise guy, but the greatest franchise guy in history.

Now, I do agree that this team is stuck in neutral but I can't fault management for Rose's injury and the CBA. And when Rose, Gasol, Noah, and Gibson leave, the Bulls will have Jimmy as their best player yes. But they'll also have Portis, Doug, and Niko. Obviously, not a contending team and they will have to try to acquire a bonafide franchise guy. Not going to be easy and just like the Spurs who got lucky to be in position to draft Duncan, and the Warriors who were lucky enough to have Curry fall to them, and the Cavs who were lucky enough to have LeBron available, the Bulls are going to have to have a bit of luck. Either a lottery ball or player falling to them, or a player signing with them in free agency. The problem is this is a completely different era and guys are now pre-determining where they want to go and who they want to play with. If the league wants to fix that, they will do away with max contracts. Have a salary cap, but let teams pay whatever amount they want to a player.

And I'm pretty sure this will be Kirk's last year here as a player.

 

[The Hawk]

Who said that?

Oh, come-on, Gussy. Most of this board was screaming to get rid of Thibs because he wasn't offensive minded enough. Tell the truth will you? And some even mentioned that they thought that Gar would bring in Freddie because of their "connection". All this before they fired Thibs. Tell the truth. To somehow state that this wasn't going on on this board is just a bunch of malarkey.

 

[The Hawk]

The hawk has to be a troll right? No one could be that clueless could they?

Snipe. Congratulations. Can't make an argument worth a crap so you snipe. ANd you talk about being clueless. Look in the mirror little one

 

[clonetrooper264]

Oh, come-on, Gussy. Most of this board was screaming to get rid of Thibs because he wasn't offensive minded enough. Tell the truth will you? And some even mentioned that they thought that Gar would bring in Freddie because of their "connection". All this before they fired Thibs. Tell the truth. To somehow state that this wasn't going on on this board is just a bunch of malarkey.

What you said may be true but that in no way indicates that they felt Hoiberg would fix everything

 

[The Hawk]

What do you mean they waited too long? Are you suggesting they should have tried to trade him or fire him before last year? Now you're just looking at things to complain about. With Rose supposedly finally coming back healthy last season, they gave Thibs one last chance with a very deep team. Unfortunately, they didn't get it done and they moved on. The timing was fine. Spot on, really.

What "very deep team"? You have the gaul to talk about that team as being a deep one? They had a terrible backcourt including a bunch of D-leaguers on the bench. They limped into the play-offs with a very thin and injury ridden team. "Very deep team"..........Hilarious!

 

[The Hawk]

What you said may be true but that in no way indicates that they felt Hoiberg would fix everything

Maybe "they" didn't but I certainly do not put any stock in what "they" think. I am talking about what was being said on this board as in how much Thibs was the blame for why they couldn't seal the deal and win a championship. The truth is that it was Thibs who got a lot more out of his players than any coach in the NBA not named Popovich. His teams were not as talented as 7 or 8 others yet he took them farther record wise than most others. In fact, in the last four of his years they didn't have ANY superstar and yet they did have an outstanding win/loss record.

Yeah some on the Bulls team probably did get "tired" of Thibs balls out coaching style, but whose problem was that really? Maybe, if Garfield Goose and friend had given him some talent to work with, things could have been better. We will never know about that. All I do know is that Gar/Pax are bad news as decision makers in this NBA.