The Cubs Hot Stove Action Thread

[chibears55]

beckdawg.. if its about working on certain aspects of your game that could cause you to struggle at the major league level then yes he should stay down but if its just to avoid extra Arb money for a special player then no, he should be up when ready. .

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[beckdawg]

beckdawg.. if its about working on certain aspects of your game that could cause you to struggle at the major league level then yes he should stay down but if its just to avoid extra Arb money for a special player then no, he should be up when ready. .

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Well in that regard I agree to an extent. I'm just saying it's kind of silly to start a super 2 clock on Baez to get him on to a team who's likely to lose 90 games. To be honest, I would consider him working on his defense in order to stay at SS enough reason to avoid that. On the other hand, let's hypothetically say whomever the cubs draft #4 next summer is nearing the majors around the time when the pieces come together in the big 4 or various other highly regarded prospects start emerging. If that draft pick is enough of a difference maker who might get the cubs in the playoffs at the cost of super 2 fine. Go for it. The Rays did this with David Price way back when. But to do it when you're going to struggle to even hit .500? Just doesn't make sense to me.

 

[chibears55]

But to do it when you're going to struggle to even hit .500? Just doesn't make sense to me.

I see where your coming from but its a different struggle with this team..
their looking to add to their core and build their team.. they have Rizzo,castro, and Castillo and will be looking to add baez and Bryant to that mix by the end of the year.
getting these kids playing together this year is a big deal, even if its just for 3-4 mos just to get them accustomed with one another and get a good flow heading into next year.. right now these 5 are looking to be the main young core of the offense, nothing wrong with getting them started playing together even in a lost season..

 

[brett05]

:jawdrop:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/dunnad01.shtml

uke:

Before he's done??? He's going to have like 530+ taters. Anyone that thinks he doesn't have a shot is ignorant plain and simple

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[SilenceS]

Before he's done??? He's going to have like 530+ taters. Anyone that thinks he doesn't have a shot is ignorant plain and simple

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Eh, Dunn played in steroid era as well. he wotn get the credit you think for the homeruns. He may have never been connected, but writers all think it. They arent wrong in my opinion. I know a major leaguer and he flat out told me when in the minors they have trainers that will get you and inject you with no problem.

 

[brett05]

Eh, Dunn played in steroid era as well. he wotn get the credit you think for the homeruns. He may have never been connected, but writers all think it. They arent wrong in my opinion. I know a major leaguer and he flat out told me when in the minors they have trainers that will get you and inject you with no problem.

Yet people are getting elected and no one accuses Dunn of it.

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[Boobaby1]

Yet people are getting elected and no one accuses Dunn of it.

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This is my straight up answer with absolutely no bias concerning Dunn, because I have none towards any player. I will call it as I see it.

Even if Dunn were to eclipse the seemingly 500 HR mark, I don't think that merits him enough to get the call to the Hall. The only other stat that I can see in his favor is his .366 OBP.

On the flip side, to me he was viewed as an all-or-nothing swinger in that he does hit HR's and mammoth ones at that, but averages 190 plus strikeouts over his career, and a poor .238 batting average to boot. Those are not going to improve with age.

The clinching factor for me is that he has been in the league for 13 years, and has been an all-star twice. Not good.

I know you were quick to rule out Soriano a while back, but he is only 34 HR's behind Dunn with a lifetime .272 AVG, 60 less SO's per year on average, a 7-time All-Star, could steal bases in his prime, and was a 4-time Silver Slugger award winner.

I think Soriano's stats are even better than Dunn's for the Hall, and I don't feel Soriano will make it either. Just my opinion of course. opcorn:

 

[dabynsky]

The fact that the Cubs Hot Stove thread has turned into future Hall of Fame discussions says everything one needs to know about the offseason for the Cubs.

 

[SilenceS]

This is my straight up answer with absolutely no bias concerning Dunn, because I have none towards any player. I will call it as I see it.

Even if Dunn were to eclipse the seemingly 500 HR mark, I don't think that merits him enough to get the call to the Hall. The only other stat that I can see in his favor is his .366 OBP.

On the flip side, to me he was viewed as an all-or-nothing swinger in that he does hit HR's and mammoth ones at that, but averages 190 plus strikeouts over his career, and a poor .238 batting average to boot. Those are not going to improve with age.

The clinching factor for me is that he has been in the league for 13 years, and has been an all-star twice. Not good.

I know you were quick to rule out Soriano a while back, but he is only 34 HR's behind Dunn with a lifetime .272 AVG, 60 less SO's per year on average, a 7-time All-Star, could steal bases in his prime, and was a 4-time Silver Slugger award winner.

I think Soriano's stats are even better than Dunn's for the Hall, and I don't feel Soriano will make it either. Just my opinion of course. opcorn:

Lol good memory Boo.

 

[nwfisch]

The fact that the Cubs Hot Stove thread has turned into future Hall of Fame discussions says everything one needs to know about the offseason for the Cubs.

It sucked?

 

[dabynsky]

It sucked?

It didn't provide what most of us were looking for. The moves that were made addressed all the must fill areas of the roster. And there is still one move that is going to be made which is adding a SP. I am holding out some ridiculous small hope that there is a move to add a full time starting OF to this roster, but it is tiny.

So yes it sucked.

 

[brett05]

This is my straight up answer with absolutely no bias concerning Dunn, because I have none towards any player. I will call it as I see it.

Even if Dunn were to eclipse the seemingly 500 HR mark, I don't think that merits him enough to get the call to the Hall. The only other stat that I can see in his favor is his .366 OBP.

On the flip side, to me he was viewed as an all-or-nothing swinger in that he does hit HR's and mammoth ones at that, but averages 190 plus strikeouts over his career, and a poor .238 batting average to boot. Those are not going to improve with age.

The clinching factor for me is that he has been in the league for 13 years, and has been an all-star twice. Not good.

I know you were quick to rule out Soriano a while back, but he is only 34 HR's behind Dunn with a lifetime .272 AVG, 60 less SO's per year on average, a 7-time All-Star, could steal bases in his prime, and was a 4-time Silver Slugger award winner.

I think Soriano's stats are even better than Dunn's for the Hall, and I don't feel Soriano will make it either. Just my opinion of course. opcorn:

Yout make valid points but I see Soriano as being out of the league in two years time and if Dunn wants to will be in the league another 5 with probably 100+ taters to go with it. That matters as does his incredibly high obp especially given his sub batting average. To say that isn't enough to say he's got a shot to me is just :shrug:

 

[SilenceS]

Yout make valid points but I see Soriano as being out of the league in two years time and if Dunn wants to will be in the league another 5 with probably 100+ taters to go with it. That matters as does his incredibly high obp especially given his sub batting average. To say that isn't enough to say he's got a shot to me is just :shrug:

Also, consider people ripped Soriano for defense. Safe to say, Dunn was so much worse in the OF and was even bad at first.

 

[beckdawg]

The fact that the Cubs Hot Stove thread has turned into future Hall of Fame discussions says everything one needs to know about the offseason for the Cubs.

Offseason isn't over..... just sayin'

 

[SilenceS]

Offseason isn't over..... just sayin'

You do realize its Tanaka or nothing right? Lol Its a long shot we offer him enough money to choose us over a contender.

 

[beckdawg]

You do realize its Tanaka or nothing right? Lol Its a long shot we offer him enough money to choose us over a contender.

You do realize Tanaka hasn't signed... my point still stands. The offseason isn't over.

 

[SilenceS]

You do realize Tanaka hasn't signed... my point still stands. The offseason isn't over.

Lol even a tanaka offseason wouldn't makes this a good off season. You are probably looking at one of the worst lineups in cubs history

 

[chibears55]

ubaldo jimenez would be plan B for me if the cubs dont get Tanaka..

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[patg006]

You do realize Tanaka hasn't signed... my point still stands. The offseason isn't over.

You poor bastard. I'm not going to make a dick remark normally I would for one of the slurpers. The heartbreak/kick in the balls when he laughs and doesn't pick the cubs will be enough.

 

[patg006]

ubaldo jimenez would be plan B for me if the cubs dont get Tanaka..

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We already have a roster full of punching bags for pitchers, why add this half season wonder? Cubs going to shell out 80+ million for a multi year deal? I'd like to see it, but wont believe it till I do.

There are 2-3 other pitchers from Japan and Korea. Suk-Min Yoon from Korea will jump ship, as will likely the 2nd best NPB pitcher, Chihiro Kaneko, although he's 30. Otherwise there are a handful of 35 year olds from Japan to be posted. Good pitchers and pitching numbers from the npb.