The Jake Arrieta Appreciation Thread

[Parade_Rain]

I can only comment on Chicago Media, ESPN, and MLB Network. That's enough statistically speaking.

Well, you're down to "Chicago Media and ESPN" then. Eric Wedge was just on MLB Network a few minutes ago and he essentially said that two weeks ago Greinke had it, but he feels that Arrieta has now moved ahead.

 

[DanTown]

Arrieta
21-6
223 IP
1.82 ERA / 2.40 FIP
223 innings - 229 strikeouts

Grienke
18-3
207 IP
1.65 ERA / 2.77 FIP
207.2 IP - 185 SO

Kershaw
15-7
220 IP
2.25 ERA / 2.11 FIP
220 innings - 281 SO

In my book, it's Arrieta than Kershaw if only for this reason:

Kershaw's starts with ER given up by start
0 - 7
1 - 10
2 - 3
3 - 7
4 - 2
5 - 2

Here's Arrieta
0 - 11
1 - 9
2 - 4
3 - 4
4 - 4

The reason I excluded Grienke was the difference in IP and the significant SO advantage the other two have over Grienke. Now you have to exclude somewhere and Jake's dominance in 0/1 ER starts to me is a huge factor.

 

[Mr. Cub]

He has to win some kind of award. Whether it's MVP, Co-Cy Young or the Cy outright. This season can't go unnoticed.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

The reason I excluded Grienke was the difference in IP and the significant SO advantage the other two have over Grienke. Now you have to exclude somewhere and Jake's dominance in 0/1 ER starts to me is a huge factor.

I doubt that factor is as huge to voters as it is to you. To me the Kershaw argument is based on his FIP and xFIP that show that based on the factors completely in his control his season has been better than either Arrieta or Greinke. The Greinke argument is on ERA and the consistency of his season. Those folks would argue that his ERA was under 2 at the half when Jake's was 2.82. The Arrieta argument is that the ERA difference is nominal, his second half including a no hitter and an ERA under .80 has been historic and that he's well ahead of Greinke in K's over fewer innings. I've been pretty certain that Greinke would win it but now, if you pay attention to the media particularly today, Arrieta has become the sexy pick. I'm good with that because he's as deserving as any of the three and probably more so because I do put weight in a historic second half.

 

[brett05]

Well, you're down to "Chicago Media and ESPN" then. Eric Wedge was just on MLB Network a few minutes ago and he essentially said that two weeks ago Greinke had it, but he feels that Arrieta has now moved ahead.

Ok and that maybe be but let's give Zach a start tonight. Again you got one guy. I don't dispute Jake...it's close. If the vote was fair its Clayton. Any smart fan knows that

 

[Parade_Rain]

Ok and that maybe be but let's give Zach a start tonight. Again you got one guy. I don't dispute Jake...it's close. If the vote was fair its Clayton. Any smart fan knows that

Smart fan? LOL.

 

[brett05]

I doubt that factor is as huge to voters as it is to you. To me the Kershaw argument is based on his FIP and xFIP that show that based on the factors completely in his control his season has been better than either Arrieta or Greinke. The Greinke argument is on ERA and the consistency of his season. Those folks would argue that his ERA was under 2 at the half when Jake's was 2.82. The Arrieta argument is that the ERA difference is nominal, his second half including a no hitter and an ERA under .80 has been historic and that he's well ahead of Greinke in K's over fewer innings. I've been pretty certain that Greinke would win it but now, if you pay attention to the media particularly today, Arrieta has become the sexy pick. I'm good with that because he's as deserving as any of the three and probably more so because I do put weight in a historic second half.

You forgot both Dodgers scoreless streak and that Zach never was above 2.00 in era. You also gloss over the k dominance of Clayton including his k/9, k%, k:bb

 

[brett05]

Smart fan? LOL.

Any smart voter...my mistake

 

[brett05]

Any smart voter...my mistake

No I re read. I mean smart fan. Aka those that can remove bias. That ain't you, you are incapable of removing your bias

 

[Parade_Rain]

Any smart voter...my mistake

There are solid reasons to vote for any of the three.

 

[brett05]

There are solid reasons to vote for any of the three.

Completely agree. Just more solids for Clayton

 

[Parade_Rain]

Completely agree. Just more solids for Clayton

Wrong.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

Completely agree. Just more solids for Clayton

Maybe, but it's a moot point because he's not going to get it. Could be because he won last year, and it could be because of flashier seasons from the other two but it isn't going to Kershaw That leaves Arrieta and Greinke and while two weeks ago I would have said it was Greinke I think it's going to Arrieta. It's always has been a what have you done for me lately league. Now if Greinke goes out and pitches a no no tonight then we might have a different discussion.

 

[CSF77]

I'm ranking them Arrieta, Grenke, Kershaw. The total domination of Arrieta and him willing the Cubs to the play offs will play into the vote. When you weigh all 3. 2 are on the same team. Arrieta had no pier at his level. And his team holds a better record mostly due to his efforts.

Every semi losing streak snuffed out by him. Team starts heading in the wrong direction he just shuts down the other team.

Neither Grenke or Kershaw has affected their team in such a way this year.

Getting into every thing else. It is way too close to even try to pick them apart. All 3 are excelling in something. But I believe the biggest factor will be is the fact Jake had to do it alone for the most part. Lester came up short.

With out Arrieta's dominance the Cubs would be sitting near 80 wins if that. maybe worse even.

So Team MVP all the way. Cy young. Well I can't see them giving it to anyone else.

 

[TL1961]

Arrieta
21-6
223 IP
1.82 ERA / 2.40 FIP
223 innings - 229 strikeouts

Grienke
18-3
207 IP
1.65 ERA / 2.77 FIP
207.2 IP - 185 SO

Kershaw
15-7
220 IP
2.25 ERA / 2.11 FIP
220 innings - 281 SO

In my book, it's Arrieta than Kershaw if only for this reason:

Kershaw's starts with ER given up by start
0 - 7
1 - 10
2 - 3
3 - 7
4 - 2
5 - 2

Here's Arrieta
0 - 11
1 - 9
2 - 4
3 - 4
4 - 4

The reason I excluded Grienke was the difference in IP and the significant SO advantage the other two have over Grienke. Now you have to exclude somewhere and Jake's dominance in 0/1 ER starts to me is a huge factor.

Swap the uniforms on Greinke and Arrieta and you aren't dropping Greinke. You're simply not being objective.

Jake is right there. It's very close. But dropping Greinke - who has allowed fewer runners per inning and fewer runs per inning, simply based on SO's? Silly.

If a pitcher is getting outs, it doesn't matter how they get them. FIP is too skewed by K's. Kershaw simply has NOT been as good as the other two in preventing runs. (He has that "awful" 2.25 ERA). The fact he has more K's does not mean a thing.

I'd love to see Jake get it, and I think it's possible. But in fairness, I can't give a medal to a guy who finishes second in a race simply because he was running better at the end of the race. Greinke has been under 2.00 every day of the year. If Jake got under greinke's ERA overall, Greinke being under 2.00 all year would not be enough to win it. But if Greinke finishes with a lower WHIP and a lower ERA (which is very likely), how does he not deserve it?

 

[SilenceS]

Grienke has given up 2 runs through 2 against the Giants.

 

[TL1961]

Then again...Jake had a second half that is historically great.

Best ever post All Star break, and it's not like they;re giving it to him for only half a season. It's 1.65 vs 1.82 now.

Hope Zack gives up a few tonight.

 

[TL1961]

Grienke has given up 2 runs through 2 against the Giants.

Good - hope Mattingly pulls him!

 

[CSF77]

Well think we found our game 2 starter combo. Hendricks and Cahill.

 

[CSF77]

Been a great day. Hendricks figured it out. Cahill is looking dominate in his new role. Cards won and lost Piscotty to a concusion. Yadi is out for the season and might miss the play offs. They lost their 2 and still beat the Pirates. Grenke gave up 2 when he needed to be perfect to keep Arrieta from surpassing him.

Oh and Cubs won.... Well not expecting them to take home field but I believe they can get rid of the biggest thorn in the NL in a 1 game. Cards are looking like they will be going in with half a engine running...

Ya go Cards. Keep the Pirates lined up for a 1 game out.