msadows
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caleb is one of the worst 1st quarter QB's ive ever had the pleasure of watching in my lifetime.
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As opposed to Chicago where they are doing their best to ruin Caleb.
Face it. Regardless of skill level, this moribund organization has squandered 2 1st round QB's and are trying to it again.
And for the record Fields was much better in Pittsburgh than Chicago. There is a reason for that.
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I prefer to compare Caleb to this rookie:
QB1: 20 TDs, 12 INTs, 3722 yards
Five 200 yd games
5-10-1 record
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Remember the last two years when we were upset at the QBs 4th quarter stat line?
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One does it while the team isn't in prevent for a whole half?
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Cool. I guess you can't read the numbers I posted. Any type of efficiency number or advanced metric favors Daniels heavily. 10% higher completion percentage, more yards in 75 fewer attempts, almost 15 points higher in passer rating, 1.5 yards per attempt higher, almost two yards higher in net yards per attempt. The Commanders are 6th in 3rd down % and the Bears are 31st. But I already mentioned that.
Not saying that Williams is putting up bad numbers, but to think they are comparable to Daniels is ludicrous.
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When I read this, it makes me think how much better Washington’s coaches are, and that I would take Caleb over Daniels long term at the QB position.
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It’s called garbage yards. A lot of this is garbage yards.
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I think Washington has better coaches, but IMO Daniels has been much more consistent with not a whole lot of 'weapons' around him. He is just a better passer at this point. Can Caleb become more accurate with a better scheme and better coaches? Perhaps. But sometimes it doesn't work out that way.
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I don’t disagree, but it’s much easier to be more consistent and a better passer when you have better coaches and a better OL.
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I think it is a Flus issue. Caleb does not take risks, not exploring and learning what he can and cannot get away with. That is what Daniels is doing, Caleb is playing not to **** up and not giving his receivers chances on 50/50... SAME robotic BS they put into Justin's head...
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You’re absolutely right. Daniels and the Washington offense is much more efficient and performing much better than Williams and the Bears offense.
And yet…..
Their numbers are almost the exact same.
Speaks well to Williams’ future, his ceiling, and his floor.
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If Daniels has Williams’ same stats in a much better, more efficient offense, what do Daniels’ stats look like in the Bears offense?
Probably pretty bad.
None of this is to take away from Daniels. He probably deserves rookie of the year, if he can get back close to what he was at the beginning of the year. The dude has exceeded expectations.
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“Both of these students scored 90 percent in the class. They seem close.”
“NO! YOU FOOL! One student has supportive parents and tutors and shows a command of the subject matter that the other doesn’t.
The other one has abusive parents who don’t feed him, and doesn’t have any sort of competent support system. He had to work harder to get that score—It didn’t come easy.”
“Ok, but they both scored 90 percent…”
“NO! YOU F’ING IDIOT!!”
“NO! YOU FOOL! One student has supportive parents and tutors and shows a command of the subject matter that the other doesn’t.
The other one has abusive parents who don’t feed him, and doesn’t have any sort of competent support system. He had to work harder to get that score—It didn’t come easy.”
“Ok, but they both scored 90 percent…”
“NO! YOU F’ING IDIOT!!”
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There is no doubt this organization sucks....but it's not like the previous two qb's were all pro level qb's who were ruined by this org.....they also sucked........and their careers moving on from the bears has proven that......if anything the bears are also bad at judging talent at the position and consistently pick the wrong one.
Time will tell with Williams but he looks 100x better than either of the previous two first rounders.
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To be fair, neither of those QB's were watching their team go down 20-0 in every first half then just slinging around garbage yards. This offense/team is worse than that 3 win fields team.
He also makes mitch trubisky look like an elite deep ball passer, since he overthrows guys downfield even more than mitch
Neither of them were also oblivious to pressure like Caleb is.
The last two are the biggest worries since everyone said caleb would be a drastic instant upgrade at both. Dudes sack to pressure ratio is horrible, which points to the QB being responsible for a lot of them. He also is the worst downfield passer in the entire NFL, even mitch wasnt that,
Its clear he has much more arm talent and physical tools than both of those guys combined, but right now if he doesnt fix both of those issues he at best will be a meh NFL QB. My other concern is due to all the sacks he's also now starting to miss open guys and not processing the field as well.
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Not sure what stats you are looking at, but OK!
"Cool. I guess you can't read the numbers I posted. Any type of efficiency number or advanced metric favors Daniels heavily. 10% higher completion percentage, more yards in 75 fewer attempts, almost 15 points higher in passer rating, 1.5 yards per attempt higher, almost two yards higher in net yards per attempt. The Commanders are 6th in 3rd down % and the Bears are 31st. But I already mentioned that.
Not saying that Williams is putting up bad numbers, but to think they are comparable to Daniels is ludicrous."
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I also wanted to clarify, this isnt saying either of those guys are better than caleb, but at this point its a very low bar to set and caleb is starting to show a combination of all the issues these guys both had with just more flashy arm talent throws.
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Commanders offense is among the league’s best while Caleb’s offense is among the league’s worst. One of these QB’s stats are not like the other’s. I never thought in a million years that this year’s offense was going to be lower ranked than last year’s.
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This organization is so pathetic. Its success is akin to the blind squirrel finding a nut. It's completely random and unpredictable. Chicago will never have a QB until one wins in SPITE of the organization. I've said it for years.