The Off Season Blackhawks Discussion Thread

[KBIB]

I would bet a great deal of money that Oduya will be traded.

Honestly, it would take Stan something unreasonable to trade him. Oduya is a proven warrior, stupid bone headed passes not withstanding. They guy has played against the other teams top lines for two years now and the Hawks record since getting him is ridiculous. He has brought such stability to the hawks blue line you saw Keith become the best defenseman in the league again and the development of Nick Leddy from a figure skater into a defenseman. Was it all Oduya? Of course not, but being part of a second pairing that could be a top pair on more then half the teams in the NHL sure helps. Oduya is very under rated. I would surely think other GM's would be ringing the phone if he was availible, tho.

Personally I would rather trade Seabs from a $/value standpoint. Sharp is a bit of a stretch, but if it gets us Kesler indirectly I'm all for it.

Kesler is addition by subtraction. I would want Kes to play with Sharp. Sharp also played center during the playoffs against the Kings on more then one shift. A Sharp/Kesler/Hossa line is scary, and the good thing would be that the Nucks wouldnt want Sharp anyway and more likely TT as the center piece.

I just don't trust Q to play TT on the 2nd line, and I'm afraid his only chance to not get the Pirri/Morin treatment is to give him a chance on the 3rd line.

Agreed.

TT was extremely timid and was more worried about defensive positioning in his brief call up from what i saw. The good thing is, he was actually out there trying in his own zone while Pirri was in the offensive zone when the other team had the puck. I was a Pirri fan, but he wasnt gonna do anything on a Q coached team unless they went all Oilers run and gun. Wasnt gonna happen. Morin, not a fan. I see a future construction worker when i watch him skate.

Great points tho, all of them.

 

[Capt. Serious]

Who gives a shit what the Hawks record is with Oduya.

And lol at him being a warrior. Dude is a joke in his own end & afraid to take a hit.

Oduya is underrated..:rofl: Are you the president of his fan club or something?

 

[GrinderBall41]

Kesler with Sharp would be amazing, if there were no salary cap. And I know Van probably wouldn't take on Sharp's contract, I'm suggesting that teams out there would give up some nice prospects for Sharp/Oduya, and those prospects could net us Kesler in 3-way trade or series of trades. That's the only way I envision getting Kesler without giving up TT.

Sharp and Oduya are very good players, no doubt. But at 32 with a ton of miles on them, they are both nearing their declines.

Rumors of Kesler to the Hawks and Sharp and Oduya being traded are all out there, this is just the only way I see it going down without losing Teuvo.

 

[KBIB]

Who gives a shit what the Hawks record is with Oduya.

Umm...Stan Bowman?

And lol at him being a warrior. Dude is a joke in his own end & afraid to take a hit.

Really? Have you checked his Corsi? Do you know just how valuable he is or are you just pointing out certain plays during the scope of the season and just pin pointing those instances instead of the whole? As a matter of fact, Oduya was second on the team for defenseman for hits taken last year during the regular season, so this whole delusion he is afraid to take a hit is pure rubbish, homer.

Oduya is underrated..:rofl: Are you the president of his fan club or something?

Damn right he is under rated. The guy can skate, move the puck, as a knack...why, just last playoffs, of making perfect passes and is willing to...get this; take a hit to make a play. Now, i dont know what team you have been watching, but i fondly remember a goal being scored by Dave Bolland that was created by Johnny O last year in what i consider a pretty big game. He has the respect and confidence of Q for a reason, so save the un-warranted nerdgasm for somebody else.

 

[Diehardfan]

If they trade Oduya, it won't have anything to do with his play which has surely exceeded what I thought he'd give the team. If they do move him, it'll be because of his age which will be 33 when the regular season starts or because his value now is probably as high as it's gonna get. Maybe a combination of the two. The one thing that is certain about this franchise is they plan to keep things moving....get their kids into the league while ushering the older players out. It kind of sucks as you get attached to some of these guys but in the long hall....the Hawks plan on being Cup contenders and keep on being contenders for a long time.

 

[nwfisch]

If they trade Oduya, it won't have anything to do with his play which has surely exceeded what I thought he'd give the team. If they do move him, it'll be because of his age which will be 33 when the regular season starts or because his value now is probably as high as it's gonna get. Maybe a combination of the two. The one thing that is certain about this franchise is they plan to keep things moving....get their kids into the league while ushering the older players out. It kind of sucks as you get attached to some of these guys but in the long hall....the Hawks plan on being Cup contenders and keep on being contenders for a long time.

Like Joe's Wings

 

[2323]

If they trade Oduya, it won't have anything to do with his play which has surely exceeded what I thought he'd give the team. If they do move him, it'll be because of his age which will be 33 when the regular season starts or because his value now is probably as high as it's gonna get. Maybe a combination of the two. The one thing that is certain about this franchise is they plan to keep things moving....get their kids into the league while ushering the older players out. It kind of sucks as you get attached to some of these guys but in the long hall....the Hawks plan on being Cup contenders and keep on being contenders for a long time.

So do you get more out of trading Oduya as part of a package with Seabrook/Sharp?

 

[GrinderBall41]

They aren't going to trade both Oduya and Seabrook. I could see Oduya + Sharp packaged together... but it would take a lot of cap space.

 

[GrinderBall41]

If they trade Oduya, it won't have anything to do with his play which has surely exceeded what I thought he'd give the team. If they do move him, it'll be because of his age which will be 33 when the regular season starts or because his value now is probably as high as it's gonna get. Maybe a combination of the two. The one thing that is certain about this franchise is they plan to keep things moving....get their kids into the league while ushering the older players out. It kind of sucks as you get attached to some of these guys but in the long hall....the Hawks plan on being Cup contenders and keep on being contenders for a long time.

Exactly. It's about prolonged success. Oduya is a nice player, Sharp is excellent, but both are aging and you don't want to find yourself on the wrong side of that downturn. I could be wrong but I get the sense that the Hawks are feeling like the time to flip them is now... if it ends up netting Kesler. If the Hawks don't feel they can get Kesler, Sharp will probably be kept around to play on a line w/ Hoss and TT.

 

[HawkWriter]

Don't know why people are so quick to trade the defense on the team. Seems like some want to make a trade just for the sake of trading. They struggled as a whole at times in the playoffs, but the defense is an asset to this team and one of the better groups in the league. This is a win now team, so keeping Oduya on for another year certainly isn't hurting in my eyes. Seabrook is a top 2 pairing dman in this league and that is hard to find. Keeping these guys aren't going to hurt the future either. Let the prospects spend their time in the AHL, especially the dmen who usually take more time.

This team has holes that need to be fixed (2c and forward depth)...but trading the defense would simply create more in my opinion. Obviously it all depends on what the Blackhawks get back in a trade, who they can sign in the offseason, etc but I wouldn't be focusing on the defense.

 

[Diehardfan]

They need to re-tool a bit but I never said they should trade anybody. I'd prefer they promote from within. I like Kesler but he's gonna be 30 soon and has a history of being injured. If I had my druthers, I'd like to see TT jump up and grab that 2nd line spot....if he could do that, it would start a trickle down effect where you might be able to piece together a decent 4th line. I would also prefer to see Leddy blossom into a star player here and not in Vancouver.

 

[DMelt36]

They need to re-tool a bit but I never said they should trade anybody. I'd prefer they promote from within. I like Kesler but he's gonna be 30 soon and has a history of being injured. If I had my druthers, I'd like to see TT jump up and grab that 2nd line spot....if he could do that, it would start a trickle down effect where you might be able to piece together a decent 4th line. I would also prefer to see Leddy blossom into a star player here and not in Vancouver.

Ardently against the moving of Leddy.

I do think Oduya is very much on the block though due to 3 factors: his age, his contract expiring next summer, and the prospects waiting behind him like Dahlbeck, Johns, Clendening, etc.

Note that his play is not one of those factors. Oduya has been very good for the Hawks.

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[2323]

Anyone heard about this?

http://thechicagohomer.com/2014/06/11/joe-thornton-to-the-blackhawks/

Pierre cites no sources, so it could be pure speculation.

 

[nwfisch]

Mark Lazerus ‏@MarkLazerus 2m Bowman's expecting a cap bump with the new TV deal next year, but, "You have to be planning your moves 2-3 years ahead, which we're doing."

 

[Diehardfan]

Anyone heard about this?

http://thechicagohomer.com/2014/06/11/joe-thornton-to-the-blackhawks/

Pierre cites no sources, so it could be pure speculation.

It only proves that Pierre is as stupid as he is annoying.

 

[CRM 114]

It only proves that Pierre is as stupid as he is annoying.

It's going to be hilarious if he gets the Pens GM job

 

[Bigfoot]

It's going to be hilarious if he gets the Pens GM job

They hired the guy from the Hurricanes

 

[DewsSox79]

i hate leddy. the path to the cup next year will be a real *****. ****! this would have been a layup.


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[DMelt36]

Don't know of the exact time, but the NHL freeze on trades is supposed to end when the SCF does, so ... looks like they're open for business again.

Should be an interesting few weeks. Lots of options available.

 

[DewsSox79]

jj says the hawks are in talks with someone that would fill a huge hole on our roster from tampa. not sure what I believe but its better than just us message board users making our own rumors

my guess is Flip at 2c. stamkos is impossible but man would that be sick.