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I thought Scoot was going to make a world series thread. I must have not gave him the go ahead when he asked me. He makes fancy threads Epic game so far. Ill get him to do it tom. if he doesn't mind.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

For a team who's future looked so bright a year ago Washington at this point can't do anything right. The choose a manager and then piss him off in contract negotiations and wind up with Dusty effing Baker? Good luck with that.

 

[brett05]

For a team who's future looked so bright a year ago Washington at this point can't do anything right. The choose a manager and then piss him off in contract negotiations and wind up with Dusty effing Baker? Good luck with that.

Agreed it was a mistake for Black. I can see Bud getting wooed by the Dodgers.

As for Baker, he's not as bad as some people make him out to be. They place way too much blame on his shoulders IMO.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

Agreed it was a mistake for Black. I can see Bud getting wooed by the Dodgers.

As for Baker, he's not as bad as some people make him out to be. They place way too much blame on his shoulders IMO.

No, I think he's every bit as bad. I think his philosophies on the game are dated and his teams are generally unlikable because he enables them to be that way. Putting Bryce Harper in his hands could go very badly. That kid needs someone that can guide him. Dusty ain't that.

 

[brett05]

No, I think he's every bit as bad. I think his philosophies on the game are dated and his teams are generally unlikable because he enables them to be that way. Putting Bryce Harper in his hands could go very badly. That kid needs someone that can guide him. Dusty ain't that.

I hear what you are saying. You think he can't handle the "new way" of baseball and I disagree. We shall see what happens. He's one of the greats when it comes to managing baseball. Let's see if he can handle it.

 

[Boobaby1]

I hear what you are saying. You think he can't handle the "new way" of baseball and I disagree. We shall see what happens. He's one of the greats when it comes to managing baseball. Let's see if he can handle it.

Dusty has won wherever he has managed, and did it in a short amount of time whether it be in SF, Chicago, or Cinci.

Teams could do a lot worse, and Washington appears to have a small window given the free agents that will probably be leaving shortly.

He is a good fit for them.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

Dusty has won wherever he has managed, and did it in a short amount of time whether it be in SF, Chicago, or Cinci.

Teams could do a lot worse, and Washington appears to have a small window given the free agents that will probably be leaving shortly.

He is a good fit for them.

Hey what do I know? He's not Matt Williams and the supremely moronic Ned Yost just won a World Series. I guess I wouldn't be surprised to see Dusty do the same.

 

[TL1961]

For a team who's future looked so bright a year ago Washington at this point can't do anything right. The choose a manager and then piss him off in contract negotiations and wind up with Dusty effing Baker? Good luck with that.

Watch them beat out the Mets for the east title next year. Then watch Strasburg and Scherzer's arms fall off.

 

[Diehardfan]

His guys play for him...I guess that's all you can ask for. He acquired the reputation of being a pitching staff destroyer here with the Cubs....not sure that was fair given the fact that both Wood and Pryor turned out to be brittle their whole career. That being said....if I'm Stephen Strasburg, I still might be a bit worried.

 

[Parade_Rain]

I hear what you are saying. You think he can't handle the "new way" of baseball and I disagree. We shall see what happens. He's one of the greats when it comes to managing baseball. Let's see if he can handle it.

The word "great" is overused. He has never won a WS. He hasn't taken less talent and made them better. He's certainly had an above average career, but that does not equal "great".

 

[brett05]

The word "great" is overused. He has never won a WS. He hasn't taken less talent and made them better. He's certainly had an above average career, but that does not equal "great".

16th alltime in wins and in the top three (IIRC) for both the Giants and Reds in wins. Three MOY awards and three 2nd MOY finishes. All that puts it in the great category for me.

 

[Boobaby1]

Watch them beat out the Mets for the east title next year. Then watch Strasburg and Scherzer's arms fall off.

Isn't Strasburg's arm already falling off?

 

[Boobaby1]

16th alltime in wins and in the top three (IIRC) for both the Giants and Reds in wins. Three MOY awards and three 2nd MOY finishes. All that puts it in the great category for me.

If he goes barely over .500 for two years which he should do, he will then surpass Leyland and Piniella.

I hope he does really well. If he does, then more than likely he will have beat out the Mets.

 

[Parade_Rain]

16th alltime in wins and in the top three (IIRC) for both the Giants and Reds in wins. Three MOY awards and three 2nd MOY finishes. All that puts it in the great category for me.

According to you managers don't help teams win games.

From a W-L% standpoint he is 77th. That kind of puts things into perspective when discussing the not so small market teams he's managed.

 

[Parade_Rain]

If he goes barely over .500 for two years which he should do, he will then surpass Leyland and Piniella.

I hope he does really well. If he does, then more than likely he will have beat out the Mets.

Surpass Leyland? LOL. Leyland has 3 Pennants and a WS title. Lou also has a WS title. Number of wins is about how many years someone manages in the game, not greatness. That makes about as much sense as applauding a player for 3000 hits when hit #3000 comes when they are 45 and they were in the league at 19. In 20 years of managing, Dusty has 1 pennant. He needs to get a WS title before he surpasses either Leyland or Piniella in level of "greatness". To put that in perspective, Maddon has managed for 10 full seasons (not counting 2 different temporary stints with Angels) and has equaled Baker's number of Pennants. Championships matter.

 

[brett05]

According to you managers don't help teams win games.

From a W-L% standpoint he is 77th. That kind of puts things into perspective when discussing the not so small market teams he's managed.

Correct, they do not. But bad managers aren't kept around to win as many games as he has.

 

[brett05]

Surpass Leyland? LOL. Leyland has 3 Pennants and a WS title. Lou also has a WS title. Number of wins is about how many years someone manages in the game, not greatness. That makes about as much sense as applauding a player for 3000 hits when hit #3000 comes when they are 45 and they were in the league at 19. In 20 years of managing, Dusty has 1 pennant. He needs to get a WS title before he surpasses either Leyland or Piniella in level of "greatness". To put that in perspective, Maddon has managed for 10 full seasons (not counting 2 different temporary stints with Angels) and has equaled Baker's number of Pennants. Championships matter.

But so do wins. A bad manager would never accumulate as many wins as Baker. Him being 16th all time shows that.

But yes, making the playoffs matters as well.

 

[Parade_Rain]

But so do wins. A bad manager would never accumulate as many wins as Baker. Him being 16th all time shows that.

He's also 18th all-time in losses.

But yes, making the playoffs matters as well.

No. Making the playoffs does not matter. Winning the playoffs matters.

 

[Parade_Rain]

And just so you know, Brett05, Sparky Anderson has more losses than Dusty Baker. Sparky Anderson was the superior manager. Championships matter.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

No. Making the playoffs does not matter. Winning the playoffs matters.

I agree to a point. Sometimes it takes multiple tries to win one so a record of making the playoffs many times with a win or two is respectable. Never winning a World Series while employed by 2 major market teams and a small market team all of which spent money also matters. I'm with you, I just can't call this guy a great manager.