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Oh sure. I would think the Pistons still win with Pippen. I think he would be the best player on that team.
Oh sure. I would think the Pistons still win with Pippen. I think he would be the best player on that team.
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I agree. So we cant very well say Pippen couldnt lead a team to a championship. Hes honestly never had a team built or catered to his strengths. Barkley has.
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Like I said, I wouldn't want to build a team like the 04 Pistons. I think an Ewing/Pippen tandem could have won multiple titles. I think to have optimal success for a team, Pippen would be the 2nd scorer on a team.
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No. Just dont make him the only scorer like he was in 94/95, as well as the best defender, rebounder, run the offense, have to full court press, etc. Basically be everything to his team. No other player has been asked or even expected to do what Pippen did.
Whats saad is i can go on just about any other website and ask for views on Scottie Pippen, and their regard for him is about ten times greater than on this website. A wbsite thats supposedly frequented by Chicago Bulls fans.
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What other websites do you frequent?
If you think Pippen is anything more than a perfect complement, I don't know what to tell you. I don't think I'm insulting Pippen by saying he could win multiple titles with other players like Ewing and Malone.
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All players need players to compliment them. If you have a kobe on your team you dont go out and sign Wade. Who did Pippen have to compliment his talents? A Toni Kukoc as a rookie? Horace Grant? BJ Armstrong? Come on. Is that really on the level of Jabaar, Worthy, and Scott? Mchale, Ainge, and Parridh? Wade, Bosh, and Haslem? Gasol, Odom, and Bynum? Hell Pippen, Rodman, and kukoc?
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Well sure, but Jordan came back and put a dent in those plans. You can build a team with whoever you want as a leading scorer, #1 player etc. I think Pippen is the perfect player to be number 2. There's nothing wrong with that, and he made a top 50 of all-time career by playing #2 to Jordan.
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I think the difference is you feel he was a number two because thats all he could ever be. Thats where i draw the line. Theres nothing wrong with being the number two guys. Especially when the number one is Jordan
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No, I don't. I said he could be a #1, but I believe his skillset is better served as a #2 option.
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I am talking about game 5 against the Knicks...B.J. hit the big shots in that game...so did Kukoc in game 3. What game do you speak of?
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Pippen was not the player Bird, Magic, Lebron and Kobe have been. So the comparison is backwards...
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Thats the fairest assesment of Pippen Ive read. Now can you get Heff there?
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And you could remove Rasheed and put Barkley on that Pistons team and they would have won. The difference in that scenario, Barkley takes the big shots and Pippen wouldn't have taken them over Billups...hell, he wouldn't take them over B.J. in the biggest game of the season. Its not in his nature...which proved my point.
As far as that Lakers series...Pippen scored over 20 points once in that series...hilarious that you point game 5 out as if Pippen was MVP of the series...
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You didnt post this heff? Jordan wasnt 35 and Pippen wasnt hurt in 94. Something wrong.
Anyway, this is just anothe double standard. I can post series where loses can be blamed on Jordan, Magic, Bird, whoever. Even games where Pip bailed out Jordan. Pippens resume speaks for itself
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Who knows. Wallace took on some pretty big defensive assignments as well as scored. Not to mention the Pistons relied heaily on their defense. When Wallace (ben) got into foul trouble, Rasheed took on his big assignments. As great as Shaq was in that finals can you really se Barkely trying to defend him? And the Pistons would've been extremely small up front. 6'7 Ben Wallace, 6'4 Barkley, and 6'7 Corliss Wiilliams.
Prince was a poor mans Pippen.
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The Point is what would Pippen do if he had players that were built based on his strengths?
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Did you say Pippen had "the skills but not the mentality"..........But Pip had to have the tough wise mentality to get through the grind of dam near 4 playoff series's like every year of his career while rarely getting injured.....Strong basketball mentality can also be catagorized by ones will to compete while in pain also..Pippen had knee problems, painful back problems, etc etc etc.......Plus when summing up his career as a whole he barely missed any games except for like 2 injury plagued seasons...toward the end of his career....
Pippen had the alpha dog mentality also with the strong will to just WIN, plain and simple...and win he did....6 championship experiences, all a success.
Twice as many conference finals appearances and the (MENTAL) will to come back every year and compete on a championship level all the way to old age.....And he hated loosing....Another mentality of a Star-alphadog.....
Plus a strong enough basketball-take care of business type mentality to not let that 1 second sitdown boycott in game 3 Knicks-Bulls series destroy his career....Instead of rotting away, he face it like a man and used it to make him stronger....and after that game, he took it to the knicks, all the way to game 7..........
To question Pippens basketball mentality is ridiculous....Don't forget he also had the pointguard mentality....Not to many have that gift of reading teammates and do what it takes to make them better with only one goal in mind....WINNING......
Am I really wrong?
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Except for Lebron James...:tiptoe:
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Lol close. But I dont remember Spo asking James to lead a full court press. Or cover as much ground on defense. Wade takes the latter responsibility, while Chalmers is the press guy.
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Perhaps in Cleveland he might've done that. I was referring more to his Cleveland days anyway (because he was the team essentially). But think about it. Come crunch time, it's Lebron who guards the opposing team's best perimeter scorer. JL3 lights up the Heat...guess who they put on him? So I'd say even then, he's leading some sort of press.
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