The Ultimate Insult

[97Bulls]

I don't get it. I think we all agree Pippen is a Top 50 player of all time at least. I'm not well versed on NBA history, so me being a I'd put him in the top 30 of all time. That said, I don't think I'd want to start a franchise with Pippen. As well rounded as he is, I don't think he put up the points a franchise player needs to. Not saying he's a bad player for that, its not his strongest suit.

So youd role with Barkley right? Even though you KNOW you wont win with him leading your team.

 

[nwfisch]

So youd role with Barkley right? Even though you KNOW you wont win with him leading your team.

Probably over Pippen yes.

Of course the points mute, because I'd take Jordan over both of them.

I would also take LeBron, Bryant, Olajuwon, Shaq, Robinson, Ewing, Malone, Magic, Bird, Robertson, Chamberlain, Abdul-Jabar, Duncan, and perhaps KG over Pippen.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

SCOTTIE PIPPEN WAS LEADING SCORER IN THE MOST IMPORTANT GAME IN BULLS HISTORY....

Game 5 1991 NBA Championships.......the day we won our first title.......Anyone old enough to remember that glorious day?

FACT.................Pippen is forever the leading scorer on the day the Bulls win first title with his 32 points......

Its weird that People say Pippen wasn't a good scorer........Disgusting..

 

[97Bulls]

Actually, I am talking about Pippen's team with Portland...the team that was up 15 on LA in LA in the 4th quarter...and lost. Kind of like they did twice in that 94 Knicks series. If they win ONE of those two games...they most likely win that series. But there was no Jordan to bail them out...

Lol how many players can you say the same thing about? How many great players have relinquised leads in a game? Come on.

And for the life of me, I cant figure out why Pippen gets blamed for that loss in 00 vs the Lakers. The man was almost 35 years old. Funny thing is, in 92 he led the Bulls back from being down 15 ppg with Jordan on the bench. He scored 11 pts, and shut down Clyde Drexler.

So hes obviously capable of takiing over games.

 

[97Bulls]

Probably over Pippen yes.

Of course the points mute, because I'd take Jordan over both of them.

I would also take LeBron, Bryant, Olajuwon, Shaq, Robinson, Ewing, Malone, Magic, Bird, Robertson, Chamberlain, Abdul-Jabar, Duncan, and perhaps KG over Pippen.

Thats an impressive list there. Its kinda sad you'd still take players like Ewing, and Barkley over Pippen when theyve done nothing to prve more successful. Hell even Kobe. Hes been carried by his team teams in the finals. If i remember correct Bryant is barely shooting 40% in his seven NBA finals

 

[nwfisch]

Thats an impressive list there. Its kinda sad you'd still take players like Ewing, and Barkley over Pippen when theyve done nothing to prve more successful. Hell even Kobe. Hes been carried by his team teams in the finals. If i remember correct Bryant is barely shooting 40% in his seven NBA finals

I'd complement an Ewing with a Pippen. I think an Ewing/Pippen combo would have won multiple titles. Pippen is the perfect complementary player on a team.

 

[97Bulls]

I'd complement an Ewing with a Pippen. I think an Ewing/Pippen combo would have won multiple titles. Pippen is the perfect complementary player on a team.

So one player is the meat the other is the potato. Its not a dinner without either. If im understanding you, correctly, youd take those players (barkley, malone, ewing) over Pippen because you feel theyd do a better job in leading a team to a championship. Even though the three combined have a whopping big fat zero championships in over 30 seasons

 

[nwfisch]

So one player is the meat the other is the potato. Its not a dinner without either. If im understanding you, correctly, youd take those players (barkley, malone, ewing) over Pippen because you feel theyd do a better job in leading a team to a championship. Even though the three combined have a whopping big fat zero championships in over 30 seasons

Yes I would. How many titles did the Bulls win with Pippen as lead dog?

Sure you have a team like the 04 Pistons with no real star, building a team I would want a lead scorer first.

Pippen is the perfect compliment. He didn't need to score to be an effective player.

That said, I don't think a team would be best served to have Pippen as its lead scorer, particularly over Karl Malone.

 

[houheffna]

Thats an impressive list there. Its kinda sad you'd still take players like Ewing, and Barkley over Pippen when theyve done nothing to prve more successful. Hell even Kobe. Hes been carried by his team teams in the finals. If i remember correct Bryant is barely shooting 40% in his seven NBA finals

Kobe was the closer on every championship team he played with...in close playoff games without Jordan, the biggest shots were taken by Kukoc and B.J. Armstrong. Kobe is and was an alpha dog. Pippen is not that type of player. You jack up your argument by making that comparison.

At least he was on the court when the Lakers won...not hobbling in the hallway while a 35 year old Jordan worked his tail off.

Barkley and Jordan wins titles...Jordan and Ewing wins titles. Jordan and ANY PLAYER ON THE TOP 50 LIST...wins titles. I said the same about Jordan and Lebron and caught flack...before Lebron actually would win a title.

 

[97Bulls]

Yes I would. How many titles did the Bulls win with Pippen as lead dog?

Sure you have a team like the 04 Pistons with no real star, building a team I would want a lead scorer first.

Pippen is the perfect compliment. He didn't need to score to be an effective player.

That said, I don't think a team would be best served to have Pippen as its lead scorer, particularly over Karl Malone.

Bill Russell wasnt a great scorer. He did ok. Magic Johnson wasnt a great scorer either. Id say both Magics and Pippens skillset was very similar as far as scoring. Wilt didnt start winning championships until he toned down his scoring. Pippens offense was just fine. Ive always said if the Bulls had Mithch Richmond or a Latrell Spreewell, theyd beat the Knicks, and Rockets in 94.

Id put Pippen in the same tier as Barkey, Malone, Stockton, Drexler, Robinson, Ewing, Dr. J, etc. He was that good

 

[houheffna]

So one player is the meat the other is the potato. Its not a dinner without either. If im understanding you, correctly, youd take those players (barkley, malone, ewing) over Pippen because you feel theyd do a better job in leading a team to a championship. Even though the three combined have a whopping big fat zero championships in over 30 seasons

Yes because a number 1 guy is different from a number 2 guy on a title team. Plus, those guys' progress was impeded by Jordan...he stopped them from winning. Oh...and add Clyde Drexler to that list too. Alpha dog in his prime. MVP caliber player.

 

[nwfisch]

Bill Russell wasnt a great scorer. He did ok. Magic Johnson wasnt a great scorer either. Id say both Magics and Pippens skillset was very similar as far as scoring. Wilt didnt start winning championships until he toned down his scoring. Pippens offense was just fine. Ive always said if the Bulls had Mithch Richmond or a Latrell Spreewell, theyd beat the Knicks, and Rockets in 94.

Id put Pippen in the same tier as Barkey, Malone, Stockton, Drexler, Robinson, Ewing, Dr. J, etc. He was that good

I'd take Pip over Stockton, and probably Drexler too.

 

[houheffna]

Bill Russell wasnt a great scorer. He did ok. Magic Johnson wasnt a great scorer either. Id say both Magics and Pippens skillset was very similar as far as scoring. Wilt didnt start winning championships until he toned down his scoring. Pippens offense was just fine. Ive always said if the Bulls had Mithch Richmond or a Latrell Spreewell, theyd beat the Knicks, and Rockets in 94.

Id put Pippen in the same tier as Barkey, Malone, Stockton, Drexler, Robinson, Ewing, Dr. J, etc. He was that good

Magic scored 42 pts in the NBA Finals his rookie season...with Kareem out. Pippen quit on the team when his time came up. Calm down with the Pippen/Magic comparisons. Pippen had the skills but not the mentality. And the game is mostly mental. Which is why I would trust James Worthy in a big game over Pippen. Pippen was made to anchor a top dog...not to be that guy himself. Plain and simple.

 

[houheffna]

Bill Russell wasnt a great scorer. He did ok. Magic Johnson wasnt a great scorer either. Id say both Magics and Pippens skillset was very similar as far as scoring. Wilt didnt start winning championships until he toned down his scoring. Pippens offense was just fine. Ive always said if the Bulls had Mithch Richmond or a Latrell Spreewell, theyd beat the Knicks, and Rockets in 94.

Id put Pippen in the same tier as Barkey, Malone, Stockton, Drexler, Robinson, Ewing, Dr. J, etc. He was that good

I expect your tag team partner to disagree with the Dr. J stuff. He said Lebron wasn't on the same level as Dr. J. so I know he doesn't think Pippen is.

 

[97Bulls]

Kobe was the closer on every championship team he played with...in close playoff games without Jordan, the biggest shots were taken by Kukoc and B.J. Armstrong. Kobe is and was an alpha dog. Pippen is not that type of player. You jack up your argument by making that comparison.

At least he was on the court when the Lakers won...not hobbling in the hallway while a 35 year old Jordan worked his tail off.

Barkley and Jordan wins titles...Jordan and Ewing wins titles. Jordan and ANY PLAYER ON THE TOP 50 LIST...wins titles. I said the same about Jordan and Lebron and caught flack...before Lebron actually would win a title.

Uh, I think you need to rewatch that last game again. Pippen was on the court and made two big shots in the waining moments of that game.


This is what disturbs me most about you heff. You have this tendency to just throw random stupid shit out there. I assume youre hoping it wont get questioned. You need to stop. It makes you look bad.


Let me ask you a question. Replace Tayshaun Prince with Scottie Pippen on that Detroit Pistons championship team in 04, do they still win the title?

 

[nwfisch]

Uh, I think you need to rewatch that last game again. Pippen was on the court and made two big shots in the waining moments of that game.


This is what disturbs me most about you heff. You have this tendency to just throw random stupid shit out there. I assume youre hoping it wont get questioned. You need to stop. It makes you look bad.


Let me ask you a question. Replace Tayshaun Prince with Scottie Pippen on that Detroit Pistons championship team in 04, do they still win the title?

To be fair calling Tyrus Thomas, and Ben Gordon among others as "staples of winning teams" is pretty stupid, as well as James Dolan being dedicated for throwing money at the likes of Alan Houston, Stephon Marbury, Jerome James and Eddy Curry.

To answer your question, are we talking about a prime Pippen or a 40 year old Pippen?

 

[97Bulls]

Magic scored 42 pts in the NBA Finals his rookie season...with Kareem out. Pippen quit on the team when his time came up. Calm down with the Pippen/Magic comparisons. Pippen had the skills but not the mentality. And the game is mostly mental. Which is why I would trust James Worthy in a big game over Pippen. Pippen was made to anchor a top dog...not to be that guy himself. Plain and simple.

And as SP94 stated, Pippen led the Bulls in scoring in game five of the 91 nba finals the deciding game with 32 pts. So its obvious he could score. Magiic never duplicted that feat again.

 

[97Bulls]

Magic scored 42 pts in the NBA Finals his rookie season...with Kareem out. Pippen quit on the team when his time came up. Calm down with the Pippen/Magic comparisons. Pippen had the skills but not the mentality. And the game is mostly mental. Which is why I would trust James Worthy in a big game over Pippen. Pippen was made to anchor a top dog...not to be that guy himself. Plain and simple.

And as SP94 stated, Pippen led the Bulls in scoring in game five of the 91 nba finals the deciding game with 32 pts. So its obvious he could score. Magiic never duplicted that feat again.

 

[97Bulls]

I expect your tag team partner to disagree with the Dr. J stuff. He said Lebron wasn't on the same level as Dr. J. so I know he doesn't think Pippen is.

We cant agree on everything. I rank players in tiers. Jordan, Magic, Wilt, Russell, Shaq, Bird, and a few others are the first tier.

 

[97Bulls]

To be fair calling Tyrus Thomas, and Ben Gordon among others as "staples of winning teams" is pretty stupid, as well as James Dolan being dedicated for throwing money at the likes of Alan Houston, Stephon Marbury, Jerome James and Eddy Curry.

To answer your question, are we talking about a prime Pippen or a 40 year old Pippen?

Id agree with you as far as Thomas. But yes I do feel Ben Gordon couldve played an integral role on a championship team. He may still be able to. Hes not washed up.

And im talking Prime Pippen. And to add a second part, if you feel the Pistons still wins the championship with prime Pippen, would he be the best player?