This is a pretty good read.

[Warrior Spirit]

So FT wanting to spend the money in other areas and you wanting to spend it on another QB are the same?....rofl

Spending MUCH LESS on that position would leave MUCH MORE for other areas.

 

[Nail Polish]

"Your reading comprehension just sucks"

 

[Nail Polish]

Spending MUCH LESS on that position would leave MUCH MORE for other areas.

 

[Willis1524]

QB's I like in this class:
Bridgewater
Carr
Mettenberg
Hundley
Aaron Murray
Keith Price


Project guy I like with Trestman:
Logan Thomas
Marcus Mariota

Bryn Renner, David Fales, and Connor Shaw could be guys I look at late in the draft(4th round and later).

I don't buy the hype on Boyd or Manziel as an NFL QB.

AJ McCarron is a wildcard. I can't decide if he's Andy Dalton(solid mid to middle upper starter) or Kirk Cousins(Career backup with mid starter upside)

Metternberg and Murray I would not disapprove of drafting 1-2, not really sure where they are rated or will be after the combine. I would assume Bridgewater, and possibly Mariota will be gone before the Bears pick. I feel the same way you do about Manziel, I don't think he will make it in the NFL.

McCarron I actually like, but I would be hesitant to draft him simply because he has no had to do much at Alabama. He doesn't make many mistakes, but I haven't seen him have to carry a team. Kind of reminds me of Alex Smith. Connor Shaw would be intriguing later in the draft like you say, and he already has some chemistry with Jeffery.

Some QB's I would avoid at all costs are Manziel, Hundley, Rees, and Taylor Martinez out of Nebraska.

 

[FirstTimer]

Yep - decision making.

For every Cutler INT, there are dozens of people making dozens of excuses (bad route, lucky defensive play, etc). Not all QBs have elite players to throw to. At the end of the day, I see Jay make mistakes that I simply don't see the elite players make. I see him make the mistakes that are more akin to the lower tier QBs.

Bottom line is that Jay is like many QBs in the league - very good, but not great. There are probably at least a dozen teams who would be happy to have him. Unless you have Brady/Manning/Brees/Rodgers, you are going to get mistakes from your QB - Rivers, Romo, Flacco, Ryan, Stafford, etc.

Jay is in that group.

Just no.

:andruw:

Stafford is tough because he was bad last year but has two really good years sandwiched around it

 

[Teddy KGB]

All excellent points, and if some of the Cutler "haters" discussed Cutler like this, it probably wouldn't turn into the usual garbage arguments. I personally believe that Cutler is progressing, and I have seen him make less stupid decisions. Both of those could also be attributed to the things you have pointed out, but I still feel the Bears should stick with Cutler in the short term, and draft another QB. That is all I can really say.

Really, a lot of us do. However, your post shows some of the issue too - to address us as "haters" doesn't exactly lend towards conducive discussions.

But when you have BearsBud and HeHateMe just going after people for bringing up the possibility of it being ok to move on from Cutler, that sort of thing tends to push people who might be more in the middle of the argument to the opposite side.

If EVERYONE could discuss this like that, it would be better.

However, there are some, like those I mentioned who aren't interested really in the discussion - they're more interested in defending Cutler. And for people like that, then yeah, when you realize breath is wasted you tend to say "**** it" and just really dick around with them, until such a time as they make a salient point that is actually discussion-worthy and actually deserves an intelligent response.

 

[FirstTimer]

Metternberg and Murray I would not disapprove of drafting 1-2, not really sure where they are rated or will be after the combine. I would assume Bridgewater, and possibly Mariota will be gone before the Bears pick. I feel the same way you do about Manziel, I don't think he will make it in the NFL.

I think Mariota's stock will tumble here a bit.

Some QB's I would avoid at all costs are Manziel, Hundley, Rees, and Taylor Martinez out of Nebraska.

Why so down on Hundley?

 

[ShiftyDevil]

Yep - decision making.

For every Cutler INT, there are dozens of people making dozens of excuses (bad route, lucky defensive play, etc). Not all QBs have elite players to throw to. At the end of the day, I see Jay make mistakes that I simply don't see the elite players make. I see him make the mistakes that are more akin to the lower tier QBs.

Bottom line is that Jay is like many QBs in the league - very good, but not great. There are probably at least a dozen teams who would be happy to have him. Unless you have Brady/Manning/Brees/Rodgers, you are going to get mistakes from your QB - Rivers, Romo, Flacco, Ryan, Stafford, etc.

Jay is in that group.

I'm just surprised at how hard it is to find good Qbs. There are only 32 of those jobs in the world and 6B people on the planet. Of those 32, at least 10 are complete garbage. That means there are maybe a half dozen, out of 6B souls on the planet - who can do that job at an elite level.

Don't get me started on the dropoff for backups.

That may be changing however. Look how many good QBs came out of the Luck draft class.

Luck
Griffen (if he could just stay on the damn field)
Tannehill (better than a lot of people, including me, thought he'd be)
Wilson
Cousins (pretty damn good for where he was drafted)

College QBs are more pro ready now than they've ever been. They have more NFL style responsibilities now than ever before, which gives them better training for the pro game and makes evaluating them a bit easier.

 

[Nail Polish]

Really, a lot of us do. However, your post shows some of the issue too - to address us as "haters" doesn't exactly lend towards conducive discussions.

But when you have BearsBud and HeHateMe just going after people for bringing up the possibility of it being ok to move on from Cutler, that sort of thing tends to push people who might be more in the middle of the argument to the opposite side.

If EVERYONE could discuss this like that, it would be better.

However, there are some, like those I mentioned who aren't interested really in the discussion - they're more interested in defending Cutler. And for people like that, then yeah, when you realize breath is wasted you tend to say "**** it" and just really dick around with them, until such a time as they make a salient point that is actually discussion-worthy and actually deserves an intelligent response.

Actually..I dont disagree from moving on from Cutler...Youre just too block headed to realize I want to draft a qb to learn behind him and THEN move on when the time is right...Dont let your hate get in the way of facts

 

[Willis1524]

Ok but let's be real here. How many times this year have they not been on Cutler?

I would have to sit down and look at them all to be sure, but the one being discussed earlier against the Redskins would be one. Even the passes that are tipped at the line are questionable to just say Cutler made a bad decision. Sometimes it is possible that defenders just make good plays on good thrown passes. I would think quick throw offenses would have a higher percentage of passes tipped at the line, especially crossing type routes, or plays over the middle.

 

[FatBabiesHaveNoPride]

Understood, but I need to see a bigger body of work.

To me, RG3 is good not great. He won't last in this league.
Luck is the real deal.
Tannehill - didn't look anything special the other night. Must admit, I haven't really watched him in other games. Looked very inaccurate.
Wilson - appears to be the real deal.
Cousins - did well last year in relief, but need to see more. He looked bad in replacement effort against the Bears.

But you are right, college QBs do look much better day one versus years past. That being said, it's still the alpha dogs that do well in this league.

 

[ShiftyDevil]

Actually..I dont disagree from moving on from Cutler...Youre just too block headed to realize I want to draft a qb to learn behind him and THEN move on when the time is right...Dont let your hate get in the way of facts

I don't know if Cutler is the guy we want a QB to learn behind. Cutler's biggest issue is his decision making on the field, you don't want a young guy to pick up that stuff.

 

[Teddy KGB]

No, it hasn't. This is the very first I've heard this, & I'm on here plenty enough to have seen it. For the record, I trust Emery. If his decision is letting jay walk, I'm fine with that. I am a cutler fan, but im a bears fan first. My only problem are statements like yours about Cutler. Some of you wait for hard statistical evidence then claim it's "what you've been saying" all along, when many of you just hate the guy because. Irony is, some of you then want lesser QBs to replace him.

Define lesser.


Because yes, Jay Cutler has a rare arm that few in the league have. His arm is better than Tom Bradys. His arm is better than Joe Montana's was. He's more athletic than both of those guys are/were. Does that mean Tom Brady and Joe Montana are lesser quarterbacks to Jay Cutler? Not in anyone's rational football universe.

So define lesser? Because anyone can just come out and say that, but at least to me, what makes a quarterback greater or lesser isn't just the sum of his physical skills.

 

[Scoot26]

Ok but let's be real here. How many times this year have they not been on Cutler?

I'm not trying to make a point here, just to show what plays Cutler was intercepted on.

Vs Cin

1st and 10 at CHI 44

(Shotgun) J.Cutler pass short middle intended for M.Bush INTERCEPTED by V.Burfict [M.Johnson] at CIN 48. V.Burfict to CHI 40 for 12 yards (K.Adams).

I honestly don't even remember this one.

Vs Min

1st and 1 at MIN 1

J.Cutler pass short middle intended for S.Maneri INTERCEPTED by K.Williams at MIN -2. Touchback. Ball was tipped by #97 E. Griffen.

1st and 10 at MIN 40

J.Cutler pass deep right intended for B.Marshall INTERCEPTED by H.Smith at MIN 12. H.Smith ran ob at MIN 12 for no gain.

Vs Det

3rd and 3 at CHI 22

(Shotgun) J.Cutler pass short middle intended for A.Jeffery INTERCEPTED by L.Delmas at CHI 33. L.Delmas to CHI 31 for 2 yards (A.Jeffery).

Jeffrey fell down on this if I recall.

1st and 10 at CHI 19

J.Cutler pass deep right intended for B.Marshall INTERCEPTED by G.Quin at CHI 44. G.Quin pushed ob at CHI 2 for 42 yards (J.Bushrod).

3rd and 18 at CHI 22

(Shotgun) J.Cutler pass deep middle intended for A.Jeffery INTERCEPTED by L.Delmas at DET 49. L.Delmas to DET 49 for no gain (A.Jeffery).

Vs Was

1st and 10 at CHI 21

J.Cutler pass short left intended for A.Jeffery INTERCEPTED by B.Orakpo (R.Doughty) at CHI 29. B.Orakpo for 29 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

Vs Det

2nd and 4 at DET 4

#62 E. Britton reports eligible. (Shotgun) J.Cutler pass short left intended for M.Bennett INTERCEPTED by D.Levy (N.Suh) at DET -1. Touchback.

 

[Nail Polish]

I don't know if Cutler is the guy we want a QB to learn behind. Cutler's biggest issue is his decision making on the field, you don't want a young guy to pick up that stuff.

I didnt mearn learn FROM..I meant learn BEHIND...from our coaching staff

 

[tricky5544]

This bullshit needs to stop.

And it is bullshit.

McCown had the same amount of time in this offense and has taken far fewer snaps in it, yet runs this offense better than Cutler.

Not expecting Jay to have it 100% down, but there has been ZERO signs of him running it as efficiently as McCown.

So are you a Ex NFL player? Because every single NFL coach or QB that I have heard speak on the matter of a new system all say it takes multiple years to learn an Offense. Also Marshall, Trestman, And McCown himself have stated that Cutler is the better option, but since you say differant you are automatically correct? I will believe the people that are actually on the team more then anyone else.
And lets not forget to say that Jay hasd had 4 new Offense in 5 years. And though he never mastered any he did better then average in all. Imagine what might happen if he is given another year in the same system.

No, i can not disagree that McCown has stepped in a delivered, but lets see it for 2 to 3 more games before we say he is much better in this scheme then Cutler. I hope you are right though because I want the Bears to win first and foremost....But the saying goes you are never as bad on your worst day or as good as you are on your best day.

 

[ShiftyDevil]

Understood, but I need to see a bigger body of work.

To me, RG3 is good not great. He won't last in this league.
Luck is the real deal.
Tannehill - didn't look anything special the other night. Must admit, I haven't really watched him in other games. Looked very inaccurate.
Wilson - appears to be the real deal.
Cousins - did well last year in relief, but need to see more. He looked bad in replacement effort against the Bears.

But you are right, college QBs do look much better day one versus years past. That being said, it's still the alpha dogs that do well in this league.

I like Griffen, he's accurate, strong arm, usually makes good decisions in the passing game. I think he might be a little messed up mentally from all the injuries and hits he's taken. He doesn't look like he trusts his pocket, the clock in his head seems messed up.

 

[Teddy KGB]

Actually..I dont disagree from moving on from Cutler...Youre just too block headed to realize I want to draft a qb to learn behind him and THEN move on when the time is right...Dont let your hate get in the way of facts

When you fight tooth and nail for keeping Jay, rip people for drafting a replacement in the first round, and don't mention what you did in this post much at all unless it suits winning a pissing contest, well excuse us for being highly skeptical.

 

[ShiftyDevil]

I didnt mearn learn FROM..I meant learn BEHIND...from our coaching staff

My bad.

 

[Nail Polish]

When you fight tooth and nail for keeping Jay, rip people for drafting a replacement in the first round, and don't mention what you did in this post much at all unless it suits winning a pissing contest, well excuse us for being highly skeptical.

Correct..I fight tooth and nail to keep Jay...Till the rookie is ready..if you would actually read the posts people make instead of reacting like a woman on the rag, you might learn something