Thomas Brown for Head Coach

[dbldrew]

I’m pretty sure we are all freaked out about Caleb’s accuracy issues. He has a hitch in his windup to go along with feet tapping as he throws. He has to focus on removing the hitch and keeping his feet set.

Something a good OC can help him with, also something that Brown doesnt seem to be helping with considering all the examples of CW placing the ball where only the DB has a play on it and the WR has 0% chance at making a catch. But Remy seems happy with it because of reasons..

 

[dbldrew]

So once again which are the 3 or 4 you are claiming are clear easy interceptions dropped. I dont care about ones that werent as bad as you thought. That is just a weasally way of you admitting you posted some BS examples.

All I want to know is what are the actual 3 or 4 examples you definitely claim are easy interceptions. The fact it has been pages and you still won't answer shows how full of shit you are.

Post the 3 or 4 examples and explain why you consider it easy. It is your argument so stop being a coward and defend it.

I know you are purposefully ignoring the actual debate because of your vortex but lets recap.

"easy INT" was for more then just the lions game.

I questioned the PFF only having 1 TWP listed for the lions game and seem to remember there should be 3 if not 4 in that game alone.

here is my quote

If I get around to it tonight I will look through the lions game, PFF only has it listed as 1 and there is 3 if not 4 in the lions game alone.

So PFF definition of a TWP is..

"For quarterbacks, turnover-worthy plays happen in two main ways: either by making a pass that is highly likely to be intercepted or by failing to secure the ball, leading to a fumble.

Not all turnover-worthy plays are equal. PFF's grading system captures the different levels of poor throws, ranging from a late pass that allows a defender to break on the ball to a misread where the ball is thrown directly to a defender or an easy interception handed directly to the defense."

Funny how you want to bring up the WR "contesting" the ball and according to PFF that has nothing to do with it.. And as we can see in the pictures I posted CW threw the ball directly to the DB more then just 1 time.

The only 1 TWP for the lions game is a joke based on their own definition of what a TWP actually is.

 

[remydat]

@dbldrew a ball isnt highly likely to be intercepted or thrown directly at a defender if the WR knocks it away or botches the catch and knocks it up in air dumbass.


This is what makes you a lying dishonest troll. This play is at 6:27 of the below. The WR should clearly catch this ball as it hits him in both hands. That would never be a TWP because it is a catchable pass and the only reason the DB has a chance at the ball is because the WR completely botches the catch and knocks the ball up in the air.

You are 100% being misleading and dishonest here. The below is the screenshot of Moore in position to catch the ball before he knocks it up in the air. To call this a TWP against the QB is again 100 dishonest and asinine. You entire argument is a fraud.

 

[dbldrew]

@dbldrew a ball isnt highly likely to be intercepted or thrown directly at a defender if the WR knocks it away dumbass.

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This is the only potential TWP in what you posted and this is still misleading without seeing the whole play. So if PFF has 1 TWP then I agree based on what you sent.

What are the other ones you are claiming because everytime I ask you just repeat the BS about well they werent as bad as they looked. So which ones are you claiming meet
the criteria and explain why.

You are lying again. I posted the definition of what a TWP is.. and the WR knocking it away has nothing to do with the definition, lets recap again..

"For quarterbacks, turnover-worthy plays happen in two main ways: either by making a pass that is highly likely to be intercepted or by failing to secure the ball, leading to a fumble.

Not all turnover-worthy plays are equal. PFF's grading system captures the different levels of poor throws, ranging from a late pass that allows a defender to break on the ball to a misread where the ball is thrown directly to a defender or an easy interception handed directly to the defense."

A TWP is basically the QB fucked up, regardless if he got away with it or not is irrelevant. If he doesnt secure the ball and its a fumble thats a TWP, even if the offense recovers it. So the other players on offence bailing out the QB does not mean the QB didnt **** up. Thats what the TWP is tracking. If the QB throws the ball directly to the DB, thats a **** up on the QB regardless if the WR bailed him out by turning into a DB.

CW threw the ball to the wrong team more then 1 time in the lions game this is a fact.

 

[onebud34]

Not sure if @dbldrew has any valid grievances on Williams considering he was touting Mac Jones

 

[remydat]

You are lying again. I posted the definition of what a TWP is.. and the WR knocking it away has nothing to do with the definition, lets recap again..

"For quarterbacks, turnover-worthy plays happen in two main ways: either by making a pass that is highly likely to be intercepted or by failing to secure the ball, leading to a fumble.

Not all turnover-worthy plays are equal. PFF's grading system captures the different levels of poor throws, ranging from a late pass that allows a defender to break on the ball to a misread where the ball is thrown directly to a defender or an easy interception handed directly to the defense."

A TWP is basically the QB fucked up, regardless if he got away with it or not is irrelevant. If he doesnt secure the ball and its a fumble thats a TWP, even if the offense recovers it. So the other players on offence bailing out the QB does not mean the QB didnt **** up. Thats what the TWP is tracking. If the QB throws the ball directly to the DB, thats a **** up on the QB regardless if the WR bailed him out by turning into a DB.

CW threw the ball to the wrong team more then 1 time in the lions game this is a fact.

You are wrong because PFF only has 1 TWP and they understand how to apply their definition better than you.

You are also wrong and intellectually dishonest because of the following.


You are blaming CW for Moore knocking this ball up in the air when he clearly botched this catch.



How can you post the 2nd image without acknowledging the WR had 2 hands on the ball and knocked it up in the air? Dishonest much?

Your entire argument is based on BS screen shots that dont show the full play in an attempt to mislead. The manipulation of the above images is pathetic.

 

[dbldrew]

You are wrong because PFF only has 1 TWP and they understand how to apply their definition better than you.

You are also wrong and intellectually dishonest because of the following.

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You are blaming CW for Moore knocking this ball up in the air when he clearly botched this catch.

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How can you post the 2nd image without acknowledging the WR had 2 hands on the ball and knocked it up in the air? Dishonest much?

Your entire argument is based on BS screen shots that dont show the full play in an attempt to mislead. The manipulation of the above images is pathetic.

ball was off target and thrown behind Moore

edit and PFF is a joke, they suck at math and are not applying the definitions they came up with for a TWP

 

[remydat]

ball was off target and thrown behind Moore

edit and PFF is a joke, they suck at math and are not applying the definitions they came up with for a TWP

It was still a catchable ball that he got both hands on. Not every bad pass is a TWP and the fact you posted the screen shot without context is dishonest.

You literally tried to claim you posted so that people can decide for themselves but yet you selectively excluded relevant information like the fact that Moore clearly had two hands on the ball and should have made the catch. That is dishonest.

 

[nc0gnet0]

Translation - You lost the argument and don't have anything intelligent to say.

translation-it's not my argument, but I am laughing my ass off at you making another pointless argument on another one of your ridicuously bad hot takes.

Thomas Brown HC hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

I have also watch you do the following goal post moving........

Applying your own definition to what is an almost interception

then, rewording it to your favor so that an almost interception is now an "easy interception".

classic remy

Definition "almost" not quite

Ergo, any pass in which the DB has a better chance of catching the ball than the WR, qualifies as "almost".

 

[remydat]

translation-it's not my argument, but I am laughing my ass off at you making another pointless argument on another one of your ridicuously bad hot takes.

Thomas Brown HC hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

I have also watch you do the following goal post moving........

Applying your own definition to what is an almost interception

then, rewording it to your favor so that an almost interception is now an "easy interception".

classic remy

Definition "almost" not quite

Ergo, any pass in which the DB has a better chance of catching the ball than the WR, qualifies as "almost".

I didnt apply my own definition. PFF already tracks this data and I shared they had only 1 TWP against the Lions. It is Dbl that is applying his own definition and claiming PFF is wrong based on his own personal definition.

Of course, which is why I said thank God DB can't catch.

But I want an OC to help develop a QB to NOT throw the ball to the wrong team. Relying on luck that the DB will continue to drop easy INT is not sustainable. Eventually they will stop dropping them.

It is also Dbl that made the comment about easy interceptions not me. The dude claims easy interceptions being dropped and then posts examples of passes where the DB didnt get 2 hands on the ball.

@bamainatlanta and I have provided multiple independent sources that show his TWP are not a huge issue from PFF to FTN. The only idiot trying to ignore that independent data and claim only his definition matters is Dbl.

So if you dont understand the context here maybe STFU as you are completely lost.

 

[nc0gnet0]

I didnt apply my own definition. PFF already tracks this data and I shared they had only 1 TWP against the Lions. It is Dbl that is applying his own definition and claiming PFF is wrong based on his own personal definition.


It is also Dbl that made the comment about easy interceptions not me. The dude claims easy interceptions being dropped and then posts examples of passes where the DB didnt get 2 hands on the ball.

@bamainatlanta and I have provided multiple independent sources that show his TWP are not a huge issue from PFF to FTN. The only idiot trying to ignore that independent data and claim only his definition matters is Dbl.

So if you dont understand the context here maybe STFU as you are completely lost.

LMAO

Maybe it is you that should STFU, and save yourself the embarrassment of another wrong hot take.

 

[remydat]

LMAO

Maybe it is you that should STFU, and save yourself the embarrassment of another wrong hot take.

Translation - You lost the argument and don't have anything intelligent to say.

 

[nc0gnet0]

Translation - You lost the argument and don't have anything intelligent to say.

Translation, I looked at the photos he posted, more than half the Db is the only one with a reasonable chance to catch the ball.
Vortex away dumbass.

 

[dbldrew]

It was still a catchable ball that he got both hands on. Not every bad pass is a TWP and the fact you posted the screen shot without context is dishonest.

You literally tried to claim you posted so that people can decide for themselves but yet you selectively excluded relevant information like the fact that Moore clearly had two hands on the ball and should have made the catch. That is dishonest.

More vortex lies.. tell me how is it dishonest when I posted this?

well except for the last one when the ball was thrown behind the WR and bounced off his shoulder up into the air and was an easy INT that was dropped.

 

[knoxville7]

There is no definition of almost INT. It's a stupid f**king idea that MORONS use to back up an argument that normally doesn't hold water.

FIFY

 

[remydat]

Translation, I looked at the photos he posted, more than half the Db is the only one with a reasonable chance to catch the ball.
Vortex away dumbass.

State which photos as already proven those photos dont tell the whole story. So state the exact photos you are claiming are TWPs and we can watch the film.

1. This one they both had a chance to catch and neither does because they collide.


2. This is an anticipation throw that fails because Moore runs a sloppy route and is late coming back to the ball. In any event the DB was never going to catch it because Moore clearly makes a play on the ball as well.


3. Absolute joke to include this when the DB only has one hand up and is only trying to knock this ball away.


4. Delusional to include this when the WR is in better position.


5. DB is in full extension and can only knock this away otherwise it is likely a TD.


6. Watching live this was a back should pass and the DB had his back turned which is why he drops this because by the time he turns around the ball is already into his chest. So very little chance he could actually catch this.


7. This was the obvious looking TWP until I watched live and realized @dbldrew ignored the fact this ball was thrown to Moore who got 2 hands on it before popping it up. This almost int was clearly on Moore as it is a ball a WR catches the vast majority of the time.

 

[remydat]

More vortex lies.. tell me how is it dishonest when I posted this?

It did not merely bounce off his shoulder. He had 2 hands on it and clearly should have caught the ball.

 

[nc0gnet0]

State which photos as already proven those photos dont tell the whole story. So state the exact photos you are claiming are TWPs and we can watch the film.

1. This one they both had a chance to catch and neither does because they collide.
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2. This is an anticipation throw that fails because Moore runs a sloppy route and is late coming back to the ball. In any event the DB was never going to catch it because Moore clearly makes a play on the ball as well.
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3. Absolute joke to include this when the DB only has one hand up and is only trying to knock this ball away.
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4. Delusional to include this when the WR is in better position.
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5. DB is in full extension and can only knock this away otherwise it is likely a TD.
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6. Watching live this was a back should pass and the DB had his back turned which is why he drops this because by the time he turns around the ball is already into his chest. So very little chance he could actually catch this.
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7. This was the obvious looking TWP until I watched live and realized @dbldrew ignored the fact this ball was thrown to Moore who got 2 hands on it before popping it up. This almost int was clearly on Moore as it is a ball a WR catches the vast majority of the time.
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photo 1 Moore isn't even looking at the ball. The Safety has a bead on it. almost Int

photo 2 Moore isn't making a play on the ball you dumbass, he is mugging the DB so he can't catch the ball, Moore has 0 chance of catching this, while the DB does (should be offensive PI). almost int #2

photo 3 not an almost INT

photo 4 not an almost INT

photo 5 you are lying, the DB is not fully elevated off the ground from his jump, (unless he only has a 6" vertical) Almost Int, at best a 50-50 ball

photo 6 almost Int all day long give it a rest

photo 7 another almost int

 

[remydat]

@nc0gnet0

Photo 1 is at 15 seconds. You are full of shit Moore is clearly looking back at the ball and there is no way for the DB to catch this ball clean without running into Moore and the DB lands out of bounds so 0% chance he can catch this for an Int.

Photo 2 is around 57 seconds - The DB has 0% chance of catching this because Moore is preventing him from doing so dumbass. Further as I said, Caleb is throwing to a spot and Moore runs a terrible route and let's the CB beat him to the spot.

Photo 5 - A DB doesnt jump his full vertical on every. This isnt even a vertical which is stright up. In this scenario the DB is playing catch up and has to jump forward not vertically and that is the highest point of his jump on that specific play and he cant get to the ball. You are now claiming almost ints based on if a CB hyppthetically jumped higher on a play than he actually did.

Photo 6 is at 5:25 of the vid. In real time the CB has no chance to intercept this ball because it is back shoulder and the ball is already on top of him by the time he looks back. Again you are making up hypotheticals around if he had turned sooner he could maybe intercept the ball.

Photo 7 is at 6:20. Moore clearly has two hands on the ball and pops it up in the air. That play is on him as while the pass could be better Caleb cant control the fact Moore pops it up in the air after getting 3 hands on it.

PFF and FTN already reviewed these plays and they are judging things consistently across all QBs. Your biased take lacks any sort of credibility.

PFF and FTN are judging TWP based on could the DB have reasonably caught the ball all things being the same aside from his actual catching ability. They arent pretending the WR is not there or that the DB can jump higher or turn around faster than he actually did.

 

[nc0gnet0]

@nc0gnet0

Photo 1 is at 15 seconds. You are full of shit Moore is clearly looking back at the ball and there is no way for the DB to catch this ball clean without running into Moore and the DB lands out of bounds so 0% chance he can catch this for an Int.

Photo 2 is around 57 seconds - The DB has 0% chance of catching this because Moore is preventing him from doing so dumbass. Further as I said, Caleb is throwing to a spot and Moore runs a terrible route and let's the CB beat him to the spot.

Photo 5 - A DB doesnt jump his full vertical on every. This isnt even a vertical which is stright up. In this scenario the DB is playing catch up and has to jump forward not vertically and that is the highest point of his jump on that specific play and he cant get to the ball. You are now claiming almost ints based on if a CB hyppthetically jumped higher on a play than he actually did.

Photo 6 is at 5:25 of the vid. In real time the CB has no chance to intercept this ball because it is back shoulder and the ball is already on top of him by the time he looks back. Again you are making up hypotheticals around if he had turned sooner he could maybe intercept the ball.

Photo 7 is at 6:20. Moore clearly has two hands on the ball and pops it up in the air. That play is on him as while the pass could be better Caleb cant control the fact Moore pops it up in the air after getting 3 hands on it.

PFF and FTN already reviewed these plays ans they are judging things consistently across all QBs. Your biased take lacks any sort of credibility.

blah blah blah blah

Anybody with a brane can see I am right and you are wrong.
However, as already proven, you seem lacking in that department, ergo, spare me from your stupid vortex.