Tory Taylor 46.3 avg, Trenton Gill 46.1 avg - What will Bears do with the extra 0.2 yards of field position?

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Caitlin Clark averaged 28.4 PPG
Nikola Jokic averaged 28.2 PPG

I wonder if the Nuggets would prefer to have her over the Joker cause she averaged more PPG.

This thread is dumb.

Most entertaining thread since the draft. Where else can you discuss hard balls and their effect on special teams?
 

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It's not just about yards. It's balls inside the 20, the 10. Taylor was often punting from midfield. He's an elite punter and I love the pick.
too many think he could have gotten him later with a trade down, I'm not so sure about that
 

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Who was the future hall of famer passed on to take the punter? Tihs was a weak draft, depth in it sucked. We did pick up a prospect in the 5th, he wanted the punter so he took him. It’s not like he gave up a first or second round pick, with what Poles has pulled off the last 2 years if he wants to spend a 4th in a weak draft on a punter then so be it. You go Poles
 

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too many think he could have gotten him later with a trade down, I'm not so sure about that
I agree with this. With Bears lack of picks Poles addressed what he felt was an immediate need and someone that was going to affect his football team instantly from day 1. A great punter not only makes your defense that much better but also helps your offense by covering for them and then in turn flipping the filed if you pin them and get a 3 and out.

Just 2 years ago there were 2 punters selected in the 4th, with one being to Baltimore. I think Baltimore knows a thing or 2 about building a team and definitely special teams.

YearNo.RoundPickPlayerNameTeamCollege

Punters​

2024​
1​
4​
22​
122​
Tory Taylor​
Bears​
Iowa​
2023​
1​
6​
15​
192​
Bryce Baringer​
Patriots​
Michigan State​
2​
6​
40​
217​
Brad Robbins​
Bengals​
Michigan​
3​
7​
6​
223​
Ethan Evans​
Rams​
Wingate​
2022​
1​
4​
25​
130​
Jordan Stout​
Ravens​
Penn State​
2​
4​
28​
133​
Jake Camarda​
Buccaneers​
Georgia​
3​
6​
1​
180​
Matt Araiza​
Bills​
San Diego State​
4​
7​
34​
255​
Trenton Gill​
Bears​
North Carolina State​
2021​
1​
7​
27​
254​
Pressley Harvin​
Steelers​
Georgia Tech​
2020​
1​
6​
12​
191​
Braden Mann​
Jets​
Texas A&M​
2​
7​
14​
228​
Sterling Hofrichter​
Falcons​
Syracuse​
2019​
1​
4​
8​
110​
Mitch Wishnowsky​
49ers​
Utah​
2​
5​
25​
163​
Jake Bailey​
Patriots​
Stanford​
2018​
1​
5​
12​
149​
Michael Dickson​
Seahawks​
Texas​
2​
5​
35​
172​
JK Scott​
Packers​
Alabama​
3​
5​
36​
173​
Johnny Townsend​
Raiders​
Florida​
4​
7​
29​
247​
Logan Cooke​
Jaguars​
Mississippi State​
2016​
1​
6​
4​
179​
Drew Kaser​
Chargers​
Texas A&M​
2​
7​
7​
228​
Riley Dixon​
Broncos​
Syracuse​
3​
7​
14​
235​
Lac Edwards​
Jets​
Sam Houston State​
2015​
1​
5​
29​
165​
Bradley Pinion​
49ers​
Clemson​
2014​
1​
6​
15​
191​
Pat O'Donnell​
Bears​
Miami (FL)​
2013​
1​
5​
22​
155​
Jeff Locke​
Vikings​
UCLA​
2​
5​
32​
165​
Sam Martin​
Lions​
Appalachian State​
2012​
1​
3​
7​
70​
Bryan Anger​
Jaguars​
California​
 

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I agree with this. With Bears lack of picks Poles addressed what he felt was an immediate need and someone that was going to affect his football team instantly from day 1. A great punter not only makes your defense that much better but also helps your offense by covering for them and then in turn flipping the filed if you pin them and get a 3 and out.

Just 2 years ago there were 2 punters selected in the 4th, with one being to Baltimore. I think Baltimore knows a thing or 2 about building a team and definitely special teams.

YearNo.RoundPickPlayerNameTeamCollege

Punters​

2024​
1​
4​
22​
122​
Tory Taylor​
Bears​
Iowa​
2023​
1​
6​
15​
192​
Bryce Baringer​
Patriots​
Michigan State​
2​
6​
40​
217​
Brad Robbins​
Bengals​
Michigan​
3​
7​
6​
223​
Ethan Evans​
Rams​
Wingate​
2022​
1​
4​
25​
130​
Jordan Stout​
Ravens​
Penn State​
2​
4​
28​
133​
Jake Camarda​
Buccaneers​
Georgia​
3​
6​
1​
180​
Matt Araiza​
Bills​
San Diego State​
4​
7​
34​
255​
Trenton Gill​
Bears​
North Carolina State​
2021​
1​
7​
27​
254​
Pressley Harvin​
Steelers​
Georgia Tech​
2020​
1​
6​
12​
191​
Braden Mann​
Jets​
Texas A&M​
2​
7​
14​
228​
Sterling Hofrichter​
Falcons​
Syracuse​
2019​
1​
4​
8​
110​
Mitch Wishnowsky​
49ers​
Utah​
2​
5​
25​
163​
Jake Bailey​
Patriots​
Stanford​
2018​
1​
5​
12​
149​
Michael Dickson​
Seahawks​
Texas​
2​
5​
35​
172​
JK Scott​
Packers​
Alabama​
3​
5​
36​
173​
Johnny Townsend​
Raiders​
Florida​
4​
7​
29​
247​
Logan Cooke​
Jaguars​
Mississippi State​
2016​
1​
6​
4​
179​
Drew Kaser​
Chargers​
Texas A&M​
2​
7​
7​
228​
Riley Dixon​
Broncos​
Syracuse​
3​
7​
14​
235​
Lac Edwards​
Jets​
Sam Houston State​
2015​
1​
5​
29​
165​
Bradley Pinion​
49ers​
Clemson​
2014​
1​
6​
15​
191​
Pat O'Donnell​
Bears​
Miami (FL)​
2013​
1​
5​
22​
155​
Jeff Locke​
Vikings​
UCLA​
2​
5​
32​
165​
Sam Martin​
Lions​
Appalachian State​
2012​
1​
3​
7​
70​
Bryan Anger​
Jaguars​
California​
I've made it clear, it was a good pick, why are you arguing with me
 

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Pretty surprised that the hottest topic in Bears football is a 4th round pick punter...
 

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I agree with this. With Bears lack of picks Poles addressed what he felt was an immediate need and someone that was going to affect his football team instantly from day 1. A great punter not only makes your defense that much better but also helps your offense by covering for them and then in turn flipping the filed if you pin them and get a 3 and out.

Just 2 years ago there were 2 punters selected in the 4th, with one being to Baltimore. I think Baltimore knows a thing or 2 about building a team and definitely special teams.

YearNo.RoundPickPlayerNameTeamCollege

Punters​

2024​
1​
4​
22​
122​
Tory Taylor​
Bears​
Iowa​
2023​
1​
6​
15​
192​
Bryce Baringer​
Patriots​
Michigan State​
2​
6​
40​
217​
Brad Robbins​
Bengals​
Michigan​
3​
7​
6​
223​
Ethan Evans​
Rams​
Wingate​
2022​
1​
4​
25​
130​
Jordan Stout​
Ravens​
Penn State​
2​
4​
28​
133​
Jake Camarda​
Buccaneers​
Georgia​
3​
6​
1​
180​
Matt Araiza​
Bills​
San Diego State​
4​
7​
34​
255​
Trenton Gill​
Bears​
North Carolina State​
2021​
1​
7​
27​
254​
Pressley Harvin​
Steelers​
Georgia Tech​
2020​
1​
6​
12​
191​
Braden Mann​
Jets​
Texas A&M​
2​
7​
14​
228​
Sterling Hofrichter​
Falcons​
Syracuse​
2019​
1​
4​
8​
110​
Mitch Wishnowsky​
49ers​
Utah​
2​
5​
25​
163​
Jake Bailey​
Patriots​
Stanford​
2018​
1​
5​
12​
149​
Michael Dickson​
Seahawks​
Texas​
2​
5​
35​
172​
JK Scott​
Packers​
Alabama​
3​
5​
36​
173​
Johnny Townsend​
Raiders​
Florida​
4​
7​
29​
247​
Logan Cooke​
Jaguars​
Mississippi State​
2016​
1​
6​
4​
179​
Drew Kaser​
Chargers​
Texas A&M​
2​
7​
7​
228​
Riley Dixon​
Broncos​
Syracuse​
3​
7​
14​
235​
Lac Edwards​
Jets​
Sam Houston State​
2015​
1​
5​
29​
165​
Bradley Pinion​
49ers​
Clemson​
2014​
1​
6​
15​
191​
Pat O'Donnell​
Bears​
Miami (FL)​
2013​
1​
5​
22​
155​
Jeff Locke​
Vikings​
UCLA​
2​
5​
32​
165​
Sam Martin​
Lions​
Appalachian State​
2012​
1​
3​
7​
70​
Bryan Anger​
Jaguars​
California​
Maybe not a great example, considering Jordan Stout is 13th-19th in every major punting category (avg, inside 20 %, etc), except net average—He’s 33rd in that.

So Baltimore spent a 4th round pick on an average-to-below-average punter, which they could’ve gotten in a later round or as an UDFA. Look at where the players ahead of Stout were (or weren’t) drafted.

Also Jake Camarda—Oh boy, statistically one of the worst punters in the league.

If they could do it all over again, those teams probably wouldn’t have used a 4th rounder on a punter.
 
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Maybe not a great example, considering Jordan Stout is 13th-19th in every major punting category (avg, inside 20 %, etc), except net average—He’s 33rd in that.

So Baltimore spent a 4th round pick on an average-to-below-average punter, which they could’ve gotten in a later round or as an UDFA. Look at where the players ahead of Stout were (or weren’t) drafted.

Also Jake Camarda—Oh boy, statistically one of the worst punters in the league.

If they could do it all over again, those teams probably wouldn’t have used a 4th rounder on a punter.
Stout also had close to the least amount of punts in the league and his "Net" I'm sure is largely affected by needs. He was highest percentage wise of "inside the 20's" per punt. So there's that.
 

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Maybe not a great example, considering Jordan Stout is 13th-19th in every major punting category (avg, inside 20 %, etc), except net average—He’s 33rd in that.

So Baltimore spent a 4th round pick on an average-to-below-average punter, which they could’ve gotten in a later round or as an UDFA. Look at where the players ahead of Stout were (or weren’t) drafted.

Also Jake Camarda—Oh boy, statistically one of the worst punters in the league.

If they could do it all over again, those teams probably wouldn’t have used a 4th rounder on a punter.

No he is a great example because a perennial playoff contender drafted a punter in the 4th. Whether that Punter was a success is not the topic. The topic is whether the Bears did something unheard of. They did not.
 

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Punters are punters. That’s cool if you disagree. No need to call names and go crazy.
I don’t think I called anyone any names? Maybe I am going crazy
 

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too many think he could have gotten him later with a trade down, I'm not so sure about that
Agree. What later pick? We didn't have any. Why try to trade back in and fail, when you can just take him. THEN you try to trade back in for the other guy.
 

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Maybe not a great example, considering Jordan Stout is 13th-19th in every major punting category (avg, inside 20 %, etc), except net average—He’s 33rd in that.

So Baltimore spent a 4th round pick on an average-to-below-average punter, which they could’ve gotten in a later round or as an UDFA. Look at where the players ahead of Stout were (or weren’t) drafted.

Also Jake Camarda—Oh boy, statistically one of the worst punters in the league.

If they could do it all over again, those teams probably wouldn’t have used a 4th rounder on a punter.
This is why I'm not a fan of this pick.
 

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I agree with this. With Bears lack of picks Poles addressed what he felt was an immediate need and someone that was going to affect his football team instantly from day 1. A great punter not only makes your defense that much better but also helps your offense by covering for them and then in turn flipping the filed if you pin them and get a 3 and out.

Just 2 years ago there were 2 punters selected in the 4th, with one being to Baltimore. I think Baltimore knows a thing or 2 about building a team and definitely special teams.

YearNo.RoundPickPlayerNameTeamCollege

Punters​

2024​
1​
4​
22​
122​
Tory Taylor​
Bears​
Iowa​
2023​
1​
6​
15​
192​
Bryce Baringer​
Patriots​
Michigan State​
2​
6​
40​
217​
Brad Robbins​
Bengals​
Michigan​
3​
7​
6​
223​
Ethan Evans​
Rams​
Wingate​
2022​
1​
4​
25​
130​
Jordan Stout​
Ravens​
Penn State​
2​
4​
28​
133​
Jake Camarda​
Buccaneers​
Georgia​
3​
6​
1​
180​
Matt Araiza​
Bills​
San Diego State​
4​
7​
34​
255​
Trenton Gill​
Bears​
North Carolina State​
2021​
1​
7​
27​
254​
Pressley Harvin​
Steelers​
Georgia Tech​
2020​
1​
6​
12​
191​
Braden Mann​
Jets​
Texas A&M​
2​
7​
14​
228​
Sterling Hofrichter​
Falcons​
Syracuse​
2019​
1​
4​
8​
110​
Mitch Wishnowsky​
49ers​
Utah​
2​
5​
25​
163​
Jake Bailey​
Patriots​
Stanford​
2018​
1​
5​
12​
149​
Michael Dickson​
Seahawks​
Texas​
2​
5​
35​
172​
JK Scott​
Packers​
Alabama​
3​
5​
36​
173​
Johnny Townsend​
Raiders​
Florida​
4​
7​
29​
247​
Logan Cooke​
Jaguars​
Mississippi State​
2016​
1​
6​
4​
179​
Drew Kaser​
Chargers​
Texas A&M​
2​
7​
7​
228​
Riley Dixon​
Broncos​
Syracuse​
3​
7​
14​
235​
Lac Edwards​
Jets​
Sam Houston State​
2015​
1​
5​
29​
165​
Bradley Pinion​
49ers​
Clemson​
2014​
1​
6​
15​
191​
Pat O'Donnell​
Bears​
Miami (FL)​
2013​
1​
5​
22​
155​
Jeff Locke​
Vikings​
UCLA​
2​
5​
32​
165​
Sam Martin​
Lions​
Appalachian State​
2012​
1​
3​
7​
70​
Bryan Anger​
Jaguars​
California​
I will be willing to bet that when the Ravens used a 4th on a punter, media members praised the pick.
 

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Maybe not a great example, considering Jordan Stout is 13th-19th in every major punting category (avg, inside 20 %, etc), except net average—He’s 33rd in that.

So Baltimore spent a 4th round pick on an average-to-below-average punter, which they could’ve gotten in a later round or as an UDFA. Look at where the players ahead of Stout were (or weren’t) drafted.

Also Jake Camarda—Oh boy, statistically one of the worst punters in the league.

If they could do it all over again, those teams probably wouldn’t have used a 4th rounder on a punter.
You have absolutely no idea whether Baltimore could have picked the same guy later or signed him as UDFA.

If they could have, they would have.

Obviously they would not have picked him where they did if they felt he’d be available later.

Why do you believe they are wrong and you are right?
 

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Trenton Gill: 38 punts inside the 20.

Tory Taylor: 127 punts inside the 20.

To me, this is a big part of why the pick was so good IMHO. Last year, Gill's inside the 20 % was 26.87 whereas Taylor was 34.40. I think comparing AVG should be based off Taylor's senior year in which he handily beat Gill. The more I have read about Taylor's punts being harder to catch and his ability to put spin on the kicks, just makes me even happier with the pick. I feel that after next season, nobody is going to care about that 4th round pick. I don't care about it now and applaud the Taylor pick.
 

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You have absolutely no idea whether Baltimore could have picked the same guy later or signed him as UDFA.

If they could have, they would have.

Obviously they would not have picked him where they did if they felt he’d be available later.

Why do you believe they are wrong and you are right?
I never said they could have picked the same guy later or signed him as a UDFA. I was saying they could have picked an average-to-below-average punter later or signed them as a UDFA, instead of spending a 4th round pick on one.
 

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No he is a great example because a perennial playoff contender drafted a punter in the 4th. Whether that Punter was a success is not the topic. The topic is whether the Bears did something unheard of. They did not.
Who's arguing they did something unheard of?
 

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