Trade deadline banter

[JP Hochbaum]

What about Matt Moore as a 4th/5th starter this year or in the off season? His difference in FIP and ERA is about 1 which shows he is pitching into bad luck. He could come very cheap as SF seems ready to give up on him.

The Cubs and Giants have different pitching philosophies and it may be effecting Matt Moore as they promote pitching cutters and the Cubs promote keeping the ball down and allow soft contact to happen. A change of scenery can possibly alter his numbers drastically.

http://www.fangraphs.com/community/matt-moore-and-the-terrible-schedule/

 

[chibears55]

Cubs are rumored to still be interested in Sonny Gray..

This move could cost lesser prospects..

I can see him being the 6th starter and would allow them to sit Lackey for some starts or release him

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[beckdawg]

Cubs are rumored to still be interested in Sonny Gray..

This move could cost lesser prospects..

I can see him being the 6th starter and would allow them to sit Lackey for some starts or release him

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Supposedly Oakland hasn't had much interest. If you can build a package around Candelario I say why not. I don't think I'd give up Baez in that deal however.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

Cubs are rumored to still be interested in Sonny Gray..

This move could cost lesser prospects..

I can see him being the 6th starter and would allow them to sit Lackey for some starts or release him

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They might still be in on him but New York is looming. Now with Pineda likely needing TJ surgery one of two things is going to happen with the Yankees, they overpay for a starting pitcher of which Gray is the likeliest candidate and likely edge out the Cubs, or they roll on as is and almost certainly miss the playoffs. If I'm Brian Cashman I do the latter, in reality they are still in a full rebuild despite the success, but will Yankee fans revolt if stands pat or becomes a seller? Again they shouldn't because their future is bright but fans aren't rational by nature.

 

[beckdawg]

I'm not sure about the Yankees. The thing to remember is Billy Beane doesn't do a tear down rebuild. And while the yankees have a wealth of talent I don't believe much of it is at AA/AAA yet. Plus they have a lot of injuries. Torres is out for the year. Fowler is out for the year, Kaprielian is out for the year. Sheffield is on the DL. Albert Abreu is on the DL.

The cubs do have enough useful pieces that can help the A's next year. For example, while Young and Zagunis aren't exactly start potential they are players that can play in the majors next year. Same goes for Candelario and Hannemann. And you also have arms like Clifton and Tseng who are star tier players but are almost ready.

My money is more on someone like Houston though.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

I'm not sure about the Yankees. The thing to remember is Billy Beane doesn't do a tear down rebuild. And while the yankees have a wealth of talent I don't believe much of it is at AA/AAA yet. Plus they have a lot of injuries. Torres is out for the year. Fowler is out for the year, Kaprielian is out for the year. Sheffield is on the DL. Albert Abreu is on the DL.

The cubs do have enough useful pieces that can help the A's next year. For example, while Young and Zagunis aren't exactly start potential they are players that can play in the majors next year. Same goes for Candelario and Hannemann. And you also have arms like Clifton and Tseng who are star tier players but are almost ready.

My money is more on someone like Houston though.

I would agree on Beane but Clint Frazier is ready now and might be an attractive piece for Gray. The Yankees have had issues with him beyond the playing field and have been said to be willing to part with him. Again though the Yankees are far more likely to contend next year than this with Torres almost certainly starting the year in pinstripes as well as Frazier, Sheffield, and Fowler assuming none get moved. Cashman could make deals in the offseason to really set the pieces where this year Gray would be a bandaid. Cashman has sold a nearly full rebuild to Yankees fans without getting murdered in his sleep so you think he would want to complete it, but would standing pat this year be a bridge too far with the excitement of Aaron Judge and the emergence (re-emergence?) of Castro. That's a tough call in NY.

 

[beckdawg]

I would agree on Beane but Clint Frazier is ready now and might be an attractive piece for Gray. The Yankees have had issues with him beyond the playing field and have been said to be willing to part with him. Again though the Yankees are far more likely to contend next year than this with Torres almost certainly starting the year in pinstripes as well as Frazier, Sheffield, and Fowler assuming none get moved. Cashman could make deals in the offseason to really set the pieces where this year Gray would be a bandaid. Cashman has sold a nearly full rebuild to Yankees fans without getting murdered in his sleep so you think he would want to complete it, but would standing pat this year be a bridge too far with the excitement of Aaron Judge and the emergence (re-emergence?) of Castro. That's a tough call in NY.

I don't know for certain here but I thought the hang up with them and Q was the yankees wouldn't deal frazier.

 

[chibears55]

Supposedly Oakland hasn't had much interest. If you can build a package around Candelario I say why not. I don't think I'd give up Baez in that deal however.

Russell for Gray

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[beckdawg]

Gray was scratched from his start tonight.... so ya know... #hugWatch.

.... edit or maybe not?
Jane Lee ✔ @JaneMLB
A's PR official says Sonny Gray is still starting tonight.

 

[chibears55]

Gray was scratched from his start tonight.... so ya know... #hugWatch.

.... edit or maybe not?
Jane Lee ✔ @JaneMLB
A's PR official says Sonny Gray is still starting tonight.

Let's see who hugging in cubs dugout after 5th inning when game becomes official..

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[chibears55]

Starting to feel like Epstein may be looking to try to take another SP away from the Brewers (Gray)..

Not sure who or how many top prospects the Brewers have to trade for a solid SP, but if Epstein can take another one off the market that could not only improve their rotation this year and be another young controlled starter in their rotation, he will force the Brewers to either really have to overpay for whoever left or stand pat with what they have because the price is too hefty or they lose out to a team with better package

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[beckdawg]

MIL has more than enough to acquire Gray if they want him but I think it would be a mistake for them. They have a good farm system but I think they are playing with fire if they buy something major now. Their team this year just isn't good enough to risk it.

 

[Southsidewentblind]

Okay, I have to argue with everyone again. Jeimer should not be traded. Candelario Should be our starting 3B by the start of the postseason. I can see his size and his desire to bat from both sides, that he is a perfect fit for 3B. Any did anyone catch the game today when Heyward couldn't get to the ball that fell in short RF by the line because of his glove hand wasn't a RH glove. I really wanted to let you guys know Kris should be out there and Ja should be in LF, they are mirror images of each other. Jeimer will be able to handle 3B and give us another switch hitter at the plate. He just needs more big league experience. He finally did get his first HR on June 29 and it ended up getting us a win. I know he can hit them from both sides of the plate, he just needs to flatten out his swing and wait on the pitch more.

And there is no way Russell should ever be traded. He just gave us our win today and his swing was gorgeous. Baez is so great, he deserves to be in lineup that he will see more at bats, but our team will not be able to give it to him. Congrats* to Zobrist today as well. I wanted to see him try the lead off spot also.

But I am not a fan of Sonny Gray, I know it is a bad argument but he is only 5'10'' that is really bad for a SP. I am hugely against trading to get him.

I don't want to stop believing in Gerrit Cole, he had a kinda bad game today, which might drop his stock. But PIT's MIF would be able to use Baez and De La Cruz to add to their farm. I have seen Cole and his fastball will reach 100, we are going to need that against some of the big hitters.

And don't forget to stop mentioning Schwarber for Cain. Lorenzo will be a big gain in speed, exp, and power for our CF pos.


Our line up should look like this:
1.Cain CF
2.Happ 2B
3.Rizzo 1B
4. Bryant RF
5. Heyward LF
6.Russell SS
7.Contreras C
8. Candelario 3B
9.

And Keep our bench with:
Jon Jay, Albert Almora Jr., Victor Caratini, Ben Zobrist, Tommy La Stella.

 

[beckdawg]

Any did anyone catch the game today when Heyward couldn't get to the ball that fell in short RF by the line because of his glove hand wasn't a RH glove.

 

[JP Hochbaum]

Southside, what you smoking?

 

[chibears55]

I'm really starting to feel the Cubs will have another deal coming for a SP..

Their basically 6 games back with 73 games left..
So they pretty much need to gain at least 1 game out of 10 on the Brewers..

With having Lackey Montgomery Butler and Anderson as their potential 5th starter (and I know it's just a 5th starter), they really can't afford having the odds against them with having potentially 2 losses every 10 games..
Puts a lot of pressure on the other 4 starters, and especially whoever pitches before and moreso after..

They need an upgrade there..
Don't have to be a major one but just someone who can give them more QS then not.

So, I'll be watching for something to be done early next week..

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[CSF77]

If they are I believe it has to do with Hendricks losing a few MPH and then not feeling it with him in a 4 man rotation. You can tell they are not feeling Lackey as it is but they can't drop 2 starters

 

[chibears55]

If they are I believe it has to do with Hendricks losing a few MPH and then not feeling it with him in a 4 man rotation. You can tell they are not feeling Lackey as it is but they can't drop 2 starters

They do make the playoffs, their going to need 3 solid starters to compete with the Dodgers and Nationals rotation and most likely whoever makes it out of the AL..

So, Lester and Quintana are solid..
They'll need either Hendricks or Arrieta to really step it up in 2nd half to be that 3rd guy..

I feel they'll make another deal but just not for another TOR type guy who can slot in easily as the 3rd guy..


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[CSF77]

I'm really not a fan of Jakel Hydretta either. That is why I said it depends on Hendrick's velocity. If they feel he is not going to be effective then it forces the issue.

But Theo said it depends if the team responds right now and gets into the hunt. Basically they made the deal for the long term impact. If the team justifies a 2nd move they will make it.

 

[CSF77]

Cafardo’s Latest: Gray, Brewers, Cards, Dodgers, Royals, Tigers, BoSox
By Connor Byrne | July 15, 2017 at 8:20pm CDT

Of the several teams eyeing Athletics right-hander Sonny Gray in advance of the July 31 non-waiver trade deadline, the Brewers have shown the most interest, reports Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe. The unexpected playoff hopefuls began doing “background work” on both Gray and now-former White Sox left-hander Jose Quintana just over a week ago, but the latter went to the NL Central rival Cubs on Thursday in a blockbuster trade. Acquiring Gray would be a quite a counterpunch by Milwaukee, which has a 5.5-game lead over the Cubs, and Cafardo observes that the Brewers have the prospect capital to make it happen. But even after getting Quintana, the Cubs haven’t closed the door on adding Gray, too.