Trade deadline banter

[CSF77]

Jason was a 1 year of control. Stl was looking for a bat and had to pay Miller to get him.

That deal was flipped the other way.

There are always a buyer and a seller. The seller is always in the advantage. Even though it shouldn't be that way. Most sellers are pressed to gain new resource and are forced to sell established to get it.

Right now we are seeing a stall in aaa he market because teams like Det and CWS are trying to strong arm the market and demand over payments for their starters. We will not see movement until either their price drops or teams will goto lesser targets.

Sox were asking NYY Torres or Fraser as a starting point. Now I believe that is fair. But NY is not looking to sell their top prospects.

The Cubs on the other hand have Jimenez and he doesn't have a spot.

Now on Norris. I like the idea of targeting him. I do believe he has some command issues going on. Last year his numbers were way better. This year he is walking too many which is almost always a mechanical issue going on

 

[CSF77]

On Young: Cubs den:

I have mentioned his recent hot streak at the plate (.333 since June 18), but what I have failed to bring up as often as I should is the steady play of Chesny Young in the field. He has gone 36 games without committing an error. An impressive streak for a utility man that has not settled into a position and has played everywhere except pitcher and catcher this season. His bat has been up and down this year but you cannot question Young's reliability in the field. He may not make many spectacular plays but he is an underrated athlete and can make all the routine plays with ease no matter where you put him. His arm is nothing special so he fits best on the right side of the IF or in LF, but he can hold his own on the left side at SS and 3B as well as RF. That skill, more than anything, will be his key to a MLB future. Young has committed just 28 errors in his entire career (374 games).

 

[JP Hochbaum]

Wow, looks like Detroit declined a Schwarber for Fulmer offer?

https://sports.yahoo.com/m/9db1dbd4-c2da-3385-b187-de7fa833b483/ss_report:-cubs-offered-kyle.html

 

[brett05]

Wow, looks like Detroit declined a Schwarber for Fulmer offer?

https://sports.yahoo.com/m/9db1dbd4-c2da-3385-b187-de7fa833b483/ss_report:-cubs-offered-kyle.html

The shock isn't the rejection, but that the Cubs are willing to move Kyle. I don't blame the Cubs for going after a young controllable TOR, but they need to get realistic in costs as well for such a commodity.

 

[CSF77]

The shock isn't the rejection, but that the Cubs are willing to move Kyle. I don't blame the Cubs for going after a young controllable TOR, but they need to get realistic in costs as well for such a commodity.

If they are invisioning Jimenez as the long term LF and can use Happ there now it makes sense.

If Schwarber has a turnaround in the 2nd half Det may regret not jumping on that.

 

[beckdawg]

On Young: Cubs den:

I have mentioned his recent hot streak at the plate (.333 since June 18), but what I have failed to bring up as often as I should is the steady play of Chesny Young in the field. He has gone 36 games without committing an error. An impressive streak for a utility man that has not settled into a position and has played everywhere except pitcher and catcher this season. His bat has been up and down this year but you cannot question Young's reliability in the field. He may not make many spectacular plays but he is an underrated athlete and can make all the routine plays with ease no matter where you put him. His arm is nothing special so he fits best on the right side of the IF or in LF, but he can hold his own on the left side at SS and 3B as well as RF. That skill, more than anything, will be his key to a MLB future. Young has committed just 28 errors in his entire career (374 games).

Reliable doesn't equal gold glove. Reliable equals average or maybe a tick above.

 

[beckdawg]

Wow, looks like Detroit declined a Schwarber for Fulmer offer?

https://sports.yahoo.com/m/9db1dbd4-c2da-3385-b187-de7fa833b483/ss_report:-cubs-offered-kyle.html

I wouldn't believe this. First off the detroit lions? Secondly Jim Bowden? Guy has consistently been wrong.

 

[beckdawg]

For reference on Bowden by the way

http://deadspin.com/jim-bowden-caught-stealing-from-fake-twitter-account-d-1614081824

 

[JP Hochbaum]

Yeah it doesn't seem legit.

 

[chibears55]

The Cubs on the other hand have Jimenez and he doesn't have a spot.

Cubs don't have to worry about if Jiminez has a spot or not til 2019..
Lots can happen between now and then with those currently occupying the corner OF spots..

I wouldn't be in such a hurry to trade off Jiminez yet..


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[brett05]

If they are invisioning Jimenez as the long term LF and can use Happ there now it makes sense.

If Schwarber has a turnaround in the 2nd half Det may regret not jumping on that.

Unlikely. How many guys are launching bombs? I've lost count. How many quality young pitchers are there, not anywhere enough. I've been trumpeting that fact for years now.

 

[CSF77]

Reliable doesn't equal gold glove. Reliable equals average or maybe a tick above.

So Sandburg was a tick above avg?

 

[beckdawg]

So Sandburg was a tick above avg?

My point is when scouts talk about good defenders they don't say "reliable." They will go so far to say 'above average" or "plus glove." And more to the point, if he were actually a gold glove caliber defender he'd probably still be at SS rather than playing 2B. The fact of the matter is even if you want to argue he fields the ball exceptionally, he doesn't have great range and he doesn't have a great arm. So tossing the term "gold glove" defender on him isn't fair. Even if he's decent at 2B the thing you have to remember is that often SS prospects who are better defenders will get shifted to 2B.

He's fine but let's not make him out to be something he's not.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Report: Cubs offered Kyle Schwarber to Tigers

With the Chicago Cubs entering the 2017 MLB All-Star break a disappointing 43-45 and 5.5. games back, the rumors are starting to swirl.Just before Saturday's game against the Pittsburgh Pirates, Ken Rosenthal reported the Cubs could trade one of their young stars for a pitcher. Rosenthal noted it could be a way to shake things up after a poor first half.We wrote on the possibility of the Cubs trading*Ian Happ for a cost-controlled starter. Even last week the Cubs and Tigers were linked regarding starter Justin Verlander.But now the latest news involves Kyle Schwarber and the Tigers.The struggling Schwarber was recently demoted to Triple-A before rejoining the team last week. Now his name is popping up in a report that states the Cubs offered Schwarber to the Tigers.It just wasn't for Justin Verlander.Reporter Jim Bowden spoke on Sirius XM's MLB Network radio and stated the Cubs called the Tigers about Daniel Norris and Michael Fulmer.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/884840881790046209He

goes on to say the Cubs specifically asked about Fulmer, the 2016 AL Rookie of the Year winner and then about Norris.Coming from someone like Bowden means this thing has some legs to it.It's obvious the Cubs want a cost-controlled starter like Sonny Gray, Marcus Stroman, Verlander or Fulmer and Norris but they will certainly have to give up one of their young stars.As the days go by, it seems more evident that the Cubs are ready to do just that.

More...

 

[A.C. Milan]

I hope that the rumors i've been hearing are false. Trade Schwarber? Hell no

 

[beckdawg]

Coming from someone like Bowden means this thing has some legs to it.

What? People really need to check their sources...

http://deadspin.com/jim-bowden-caught-stealing-from-fake-twitter-account-d-1614081824

 

[CSF77]

If it has any truth to it....

I would look at it this way: I want both Norris and Fullmer. My package is lead by Schwarber. I'll toss in Butler.

After that I'm unloading my system. Alozay gone. Clifton. Gone. Candy and Zag. Gone. It would be 2 for 6 with maybe a PTBNL.

Now would they do it....man idk honestly. Happ slides into LF every day. Almora starts every day. 2B/SS goes back to Baez backing up both.

Rotation would be Fullmer, Lester, Arrieta, Lackey, Hendricks. Norris I would put in AAA to fix his mechanics.

Then on the play off run promote Norris and use him as a 3rd lefty.

Honestly that deal I could stomach. It sets up the rotation long term. They could promote Tseng as the 5 and have the rotation set next year. Worst case they buy another 1 year rent.

Now I doubt it is true but I see value in the idea

 

[Southsidewentblind]

I would let Montgomery start myself

I think that Montgomery needs to be used in a dual closer spot with Wade Davis. So that We can choose who we want to be the closer depending on the batting order.

 

[Southsidewentblind]

After watching Lester get wrecked by the lowly Pirates it is really easy to pull the white flag.

What I'm seeing is Schwarber is 4 for 11 on his return. You know he has Avg about 14 hits per month. So that is a dynamic turn around.

That said I would look at it from a team needs perspective. Right now they are in dire need to get a TOR. That is the highest priority right now and it is a higher priority than worrying about playing time break downs.

The thing is they need a Ace. They don't want to trade from the core. But they may have to with the extra depth that they have.

Baez makes the most sense. He doesn't have a full time spot. He deserves the playing time and there are plenty of teams out there that can use him.

Honestly trading a decent pitching prospect for Profar then using Baez to spear head a trade for a ace. We all know it is going to take a player like Baez to base around.

The real question is who do they target?

I noticed that someone was mentioning Robbie Ray as an upgrade for us. Baez would fit perfectly in AZ.

 

[Southsidewentblind]

Ok, So I finally got to read through all of the threads in this post and now I want to add my own, instead of replying.

A) Our Starting Rotation is lacking our #1 RHP, #2 LHP, #3 needs to be Arrieta, #4 needs to be Lester, and #5 needs to be Hendricks.

B) Our Lack of a Lead-off hitter and CF needs to be filled. I have been following the Dbacks all year, I live out here, and I began wanting to build a Championship Worthy Contending Roster with our team. AJ Pollack asked Lovullo to be placed on the 10-day DL after our Mother's Day game because of problems with his Left Hamstring. I immediately wanted to research what we could do to help us not fall too far before he could come back. I stumbled upon a post that suggested Lorenzo Cain and someone wanting him to come to town to take over in CF. Another weird thing about it was the next home game that I went to my usher reminded me of him. So I couldn't take my mind off of him being part of our team. I have changed my focus to wanting to help the Cubs, now and AJ has returned to the Dbacks lineup. Cain would be a very strong pick up for the Cubs, his WS experience is great and he has speed and power. KC does have a weak spot in their DH, which leads me to believe that Schwarber would be an excellent player to trade to get Cain to come to town.

C) I have noticed that a lot of you guys have been mention Jeimer as a trade prospect. I want to disagree. I also am a loyal supporter of textbook player positioning. Jeimer is a little short for an average 3B but Bryant is a textbook RF. Heyward is also a textbook LF. I hate to go against the coach's decisions but I think that switch should be made. With Bryant in RF and Heyward in LF, we could allow Jeimer to develope into a everyday 3B where his (S)bat's value would increase.

D) Okay, between Russell, Baez, and Happ, we have 3 MIF. As I mentioned above our #2 spot in our rotation is lacking dependability. I first thought about Jose Quintana as well, and during the preseason I had my eyes on Carlos Rodon also. But someone here made me double think about either of them being that guy for the Cubs. And also as I was saying I live in PHX so I have been seeing our team all year. And trust me Robbie Ray is our most impressive pitcher. I also know our MIFs, we have Chris Owings, Nick Ahmed, and Brandon Drury. Chris and Nick have been SS for most of our games. Baez would be a huge help for us and Ray has been dangerously unstoppable this year. His power on the mound has been incredible. Offering Baez for Ray seems like a great idea. Our bullpen is bad too out here, so I advise you to offer some help in that area as well if you want to not hang up the phone on you.

E) The most important thing that I can not stress enough is our #1 spot in our rotation. It needs to be a strong power RHP. I can see us looking any other way but towards PIT and Gerrit Cole. He has had a few rough starts this year but that tends to happen to many players when when they are his age. Eloy Jimenez is our #1 prospect and Cole was #1 overall in 2011. If we are going to trade Eloy than we have to get the proper value for him. Trading him for a rental is absurd. Cole is worth every penny or prospect he or PIT is going to ask for and I wanted to highly stress the importance of saving Eloy for our biggest hole in on team that needs to be filled. Which is our #1 spot in our rotation.

F) Our bullpen is has issues as well. Pedro, Koji, and Hector are my votes for mid game RHP relief with Davis being our RHP Closer. But our LHP relief is really shaky. I noticed Coach using Duensing a few games ago and I got scared because of him being our only LHP and I wasn't sure if we should use him if it isn't time. We have to fill in those spots in my opinion. I think that we should do this with Rob Zastryzny and Ross Detwiler with Mike Montgomery being our LHP Closer.

G) So my basic upgrades would be Candelario, Zastryzny, and Detwiller from our Minors. Trades would be Gerrit Cole(PIT), Robbie Ray(AZ), and Lorenzo Cain(KC). I send Jimenez, Baez, and Schwarber to other teams. And a ton of roster drops if you want to hear them.

H) One last thing that I noticed is that our bats are really bad this year? How come no one is telling these guys they are swinging the wrong way? It is kind of like trying to cut a diamond with a giant rock? Sometimes you are going to get hits, but wtf... Can I please help the team with correcting it. I have developed a 6-point basic swing model that helps you build a basic swing to develop more power and reach. And my model gives you more time to react with a shorter reaction time required.

I) I really care too.....