Trade Idea

[PolarBear]

"If it ain't broke, don't fix it"

Mirotic doesn't have to guard the 2. I have seen Noah guard freakin PG's.

 

[The Hawk]

Not sure how Phoenix feels about their season or how they will feel about it come trade deadline time. but the bulls should look into trading for Gerald green for wing help. the suns might be willing to trade him since its his contract year, and the bulls could use him as a final piece to help push for the title as a one year rental player. maybe a doug McDermott for green swap? the contract money works just barely. throw in a draft pick if necessary

I'd do it without the draft pick. Green is a good player and McDermott is an unknown.

 

[Crystallas]

whats the point of these forums if people cant discuss hypotheticals???

and actually i gave a few reasons why the trade makes sense roster wise

The point is to discuss the team. The point of NBA 2K is to simulate hypotheticals.

If sports are your means of entertainment, and discussion must be based around trades, what exactly is entertaining to you about sports?

Anyways, I disagree about the trade. I think it's a very bad trade, and that's that. Agree to disagree.

 

[knoxville7]

The point is to discuss the team. The point of NBA 2K is to simulate hypotheticals.

If sports are your means of entertainment, and discussion must be based around trades, what exactly is entertaining to you about sports?

Anyways, I disagree about the trade. I think it's a very bad trade, and that's that. Agree to disagree.

been saying agree to disagree a while now. you were the one who decided to be a dick about it. and in talking this hypothetical trade, i have discussed the team and their need for another wing player who can play a little defense, help take some of the burden off jimmy so he doesn't have to play 40 min a game. if that doesn't qualify as discussing the team then i am sorry it doesn't live up to your standards

 

[Diddy1122]

wow, well then pardon me for not knowing that green wont help the bulls in any way. i forgot that some people can see into the future

Seriously get your panties out of a twist. No one agrees that this is a good trade for the team and have stated countless reasons why. I've stated mine pretty clearly. Now you are just arguing for the sake of arguing & playing a victim to us evil thread Nazis. So enjoy yourself while carrying this thread on for another 15 pages full of ridiculousness. I'll bust out the popcorn tomorrow for a nice read.

:jackson:

 

[knoxville7]

Seriously get your panties out of a twist. No one agrees that this is a good trade for the team and have stated countless reasons why. I've stated mine pretty clearly. Now you are just arguing for the sake of arguing & playing a victim to us evil thread Nazis. So enjoy yourself while carrying this thread on for another 15 pages full of ridiculousness. I'll bust out the popcorn tomorrow for a nice read.

:jackson:

step off your pedestal. and actually there has been other people saying the trade is a good one. you don't agree and that's fine, i don't care. if you want to ignore that green is a good player that would help any NBA roster, including the bulls, then that's fine go for it

 

[2323]

This is an awful idea. Where do people come up with this stuff. Let's just manufacture more hysteria for nothing.

 

[knoxville7]

This is an awful idea. Where do people come up with this stuff. Let's just manufacture more hysteria for nothing.

it is awful because _______ ?

 

[clonetrooper264]

step off your pedestal. and actually there has been other people saying the trade is a good one. you don't agree and that's fine, i don't care. if you want to ignore that green is a good player that would help any NBA roster, including the bulls, then that's fine go for it

I actually haven't seen anyone say this trade would improve the team besides you. Not being a dick here, just stating what I've read in the thread so far. Best I've seen is JosMin calling it a lateral trade.

Green is not necessarily a lock to help the Bulls any more than Josh Smith is a lock to help the Rockets. Factoring in that Green would be unlikely to resign here next year, it's not unreasonable to disagree with this trade idea.

Mirotic guarding the good SFs of the league is largely irrelevant as Butler would be the one guarding that player. It's highly unlikely that the SG of that team is also a bonafide offensive creator that Mirotic can't guard. The only case where I can see this potentially happening is against San Antonio when they're running Ginobili and Leonard at the same time, but one can argue that Mirotic can guard Leonard.

 

[knoxville7]

I actually haven't seen anyone say this trade would improve the team besides you. Not being a dick here, just stating what I've read in the thread so far. Best I've seen is JosMin calling it a lateral trade.

Green is not necessarily a lock to help the Bulls any more than Josh Smith is a lock to help the Rockets. Factoring in that Green would be unlikely to resign here next year, it's not unreasonable to disagree with this trade idea.

Mirotic guarding the good SFs of the league is largely irrelevant as Butler would be the one guarding that player. It's highly unlikely that the SG of that team is also a bonafide offensive creator that Mirotic can't guard. The only case where I can see this potentially happening is against San Antonio when they're running Ginobili and Leonard at the same time, but one can argue that Mirotic can guard Leonard.

If you think there are ANY two guards that mirotic can guard then youre crazy. the whole point of the trade would be to put the team over the top for THIS YEAR. as currently constructed, teams with two dynamic wing scorers still present problems for the bulls because butler guards one of them and then either hinrich or Dunleavy guards the other one. green would be an upgrade defensively over the both of them, while also providing some scoring punch. if you don't like the idea of that then that's fine, youre entitled to that. and someone mentioned they would make the trade too earlier, but that's really here nor there since the number of people agreeing or disagreeing with you doesn't make you right or wrong. the only way we will ever find out is if the bulls do make that trade and we can agree that wont happen

 

[clonetrooper264]

If you think there are ANY two guards that mirotic can guard then youre crazy. the whole point of the trade would be to put the team over the top for THIS YEAR. as currently constructed, teams with two dynamic wing scorers still present problems for the bulls because butler guards one of them and then either hinrich or Dunleavy guards the other one. green would be an upgrade defensively over the both of them, while also providing some scoring punch. if you don't like the idea of that then that's fine, youre entitled to that. and someone mentioned they would make the trade too earlier, but that's really here nor there since the number of people agreeing or disagreeing with you doesn't make you right or wrong. the only way we will ever find out is if the bulls do make that trade and we can agree that wont happen

I am certainly not crazy. I totally believe Mirotic could guard Danny Green as all he does is shoot 3s. Or Tony Allen since he doesn't score. Or whatever fool Cleveland tries to throw at SG. He's not super fast and sure he got crossed over by Kemba Walker, but against relevant teams often their non primary scoring wing player is not unguardable.

In any case, sure, the premise of a "win now" type of move is fine, I get it and don't fault you for it. I will even say that the trade wouldn't hurt the team (for the purposes of winning now). However, realistically speaking, the Bulls do consider the future when doing trades so for that reason this trade would not happen, which you seem to agree to. And if it will never happen I guess the attitude may fall under the "why bother?" category.

 

[Scoot26]

I am certainly not crazy. I totally believe Mirotic could guard Danny Green as all he does is shoot 3s. Or Tony Allen since he doesn't score. Or whatever fool Cleveland tries to throw at SG. He's not super fast and sure he got crossed over by Kemba Walker, but against relevant teams often their non primary scoring wing player is not unguardable.

In any case, sure, the premise of a "win now" type of move is fine, I get it and don't fault you for it. I will even say that the trade wouldn't hurt the team (for the purposes of winning now). However, realistically speaking, the Bulls do consider the future when doing trades so for that reason this trade would not happen, which you seem to agree to. And if it will never happen I guess the attitude may fall under the "why bother?" category.

A guy who won't even be in the playoffs.

 

[clonetrooper264]

A guy who won't even be in the playoffs.

I just brought him up because it's his most embarrassing moment guarding a perimeter player. Something I feel detractors visualize will happen every time down the floor if he's guarding some non SF.

 

[knoxville7]

I just brought him up because it's his most embarrassing moment guarding a perimeter player. Something I feel detractors visualize will happen every time down the floor if he's guarding some non SF.

no, i have no delusions that mirotic is a horrible defensive player, not at all what im saying. what i am saying, is asking him to guard guys a half a foot shorter than him and quicker is putting him in a bad position. IMO most of you are too busy planning a dynasty before even winning one. win one and then worry about dynasties. and IMO this bulls team is still a wing player away from being anything close to a lock to win it all

 

[clonetrooper264]

no, i have no delusions that mirotic is a horrible defensive player, not at all what im saying. what i am saying, is asking him to guard guys a half a foot shorter than him and quicker is putting him in a bad position. IMO most of you are too busy planning a dynasty before even winning one. win one and then worry about dynasties. and IMO this bulls team is still a wing player away from being anything close to a lock to win it all

Right now it seems no one is a lock.

 

[knoxville7]

Right now it seems no one is a lock.

that's my point. its up for grabs this year. why not make the trade to put you over the top of the rest?

 

[clonetrooper264]

that's my point. its up for grabs this year. why not make the trade to put you over the top of the rest?

well yeah, but then we come full circle as to whether Green is that player. I question it.

 

[knoxville7]

well yeah, but then we come full circle as to whether Green is that player. I question it.

well, that's fine. i think hes a very good player, if you don't watch much suns basketball you should. they are a fun team to watch. green in 22 min a game scores 14 points, gets a few rebounds, plays solid defense, doesn't turn the ball over, very athletic. he is 6'8, can shoot the 3. a lot to like.

and again, a main reason why i feel they need to acquire a player like him is to help jimmy out on the wing. Dunleavy is a nice role player for his shooting but defensively isn't very good. the reason i picked Gerald green is because his contract is only 3.5 mil and i thought he might be "gettable" since its his contract year and the suns probably aren't looking to re sign him

 

[clonetrooper264]

well, that's fine. i think hes a very good player, if you don't watch much suns basketball you should. they are a fun team to watch. green in 22 min a game scores 14 points, gets a few rebounds, plays solid defense, doesn't turn the ball over, very athletic. he is 6'8, can shoot the 3. a lot to like.

and again, a main reason why i feel they need to acquire a player like him is to help jimmy out on the wing. Dunleavy is a nice role player for his shooting but defensively isn't very good. the reason i picked Gerald green is because his contract is only 3.5 mil and i thought he might be "gettable" since its his contract year and the suns probably aren't looking to re sign him

I have Green on one of my fantasy teams actually so I keep up with him. He's a fine player, and a very likable one when you consider his backstory getting back into the league.

Salary wise, you're quite on point with regards to Dunleavy and Green, which I think would be an upgrade (Dunleavy to Green), however, the initial trade was for McDermott who, while unproven, could be better down the line which may be irrelevant to your initial claim but is very relevant in terms of practicality of the trade. Plus getting into the depth question, your depth doesn't really "improve" at SF by swapping McDermott for Green since they're both SFs in this scenario.

And in terms of help on the wing, what do you mean? I assumed defensive help was what you're talking about. To that I ask which team are we matching up against that has a Wade/Lebron like combo? Imo there is no team out there with the exception of San Antonio and maybe Golden State (Iggy and Thompson, but Iggy doesn't score anymore) that has such a dynamic SG/SF tandem that would prove to be too much for Dunleavy or even Mirotic to handle defensively. If you're talking offensive help, then to me that answer is Mirotic thus far as he can do a lot of what Green would theoretically provide plus post up.

 

[knoxville7]

I have Green on one of my fantasy teams actually so I keep up with him. He's a fine player, and a very likable one when you consider his backstory getting back into the league.

Salary wise, you're quite on point with regards to Dunleavy and Green, which I think would be an upgrade (Dunleavy to Green), however, the initial trade was for McDermott who, while unproven, could be better down the line which may be irrelevant to your initial claim but is very relevant in terms of practicality of the trade. Plus getting into the depth question, your depth doesn't really "improve" at SF by swapping McDermott for Green since they're both SFs in this scenario.

And in terms of help on the wing, what do you mean? I assumed defensive help was what you're talking about. To that I ask which team are we matching up against that has a Wade/Lebron like combo? Imo there is no team out there with the exception of San Antonio and maybe Golden State (Iggy and Thompson, but Iggy doesn't score anymore) that has such a dynamic SG/SF tandem that would prove to be too much for Dunleavy or even Mirotic to handle defensively. If you're talking offensive help, then to me that answer is Mirotic thus far as he can do a lot of what Green would theoretically provide plus post up.

i never said to make a Dunleavy for green swap. and trading McDermott for green does help the SF depth since McDermott isn't playing and green is. even when healthy dougie doesn't play. and there are tons of duos this would help against defensively....Durant/wesbrook, curry/Thompson, LeBron/kyrie, san antonios wings, etc....

now if youre worried about losing dougie then maybe the trade can be made of snell, moore, and a draft pick for green